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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2006, 01:50:04 AM »

You have no idea.  I was sooo freaked out by that.  I was sooo happy when the shop called me and told me that everything was good and nothing was bent.  They told me what happened is when the idlers grenaded (yes as in went plooey all over the place, I still have the parts to them) that the belt probably skipped and the computer shut everything down and since I put it neutral instantly pistons and valves didn't give each other high fives.

I don't think that I have ever been so lucky and I tell you, whenever I get a t-belt replaced, EVERYTHING gets replaced.

anyway back to the topic at hand...
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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2006, 08:20:26 PM »

New list:

new catalytic converter
new Plugs
new Plug wires
new Coilpack
new O2 Sensors (both)
checked CPS looks/seems fine...?
Fuel Injectors (still bad.......?)
removed/cleaned EGR valve

still not functioning:  o2 sensor monitor, catalyst monitor, EGR monitor, and EVAP monitor    <- MAIN agenda, since I already know the #4 misfire was injector and these are still unknowns...

I'm supposed to stop driving the car on Monday as my last trip permit expires... sigh


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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2006, 12:08:34 AM »

Hate to say ECU, but ECU?
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« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2006, 12:14:44 AM »

Grr DarkTengu Stop posting before me.  Every time I go to post today it says you posted before me hehe.

I agree, I think that is what you are down to. 

If you come see me tomorrow at work I can get the OEM number off of it and see if I can get you a good deal on one so you don't have to do the dealer or wrecking yard option.  I am at the new NAPA on McLoughlin across from Burger King, next to El Tapatio.

I will be here tomorrow 8-5 and Sunday 9-5 and tonight till 7.  Oh yeah, my real name is Richard.

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« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2006, 08:18:31 AM »

Wow Nykon thats like 10 mins from my house I will definately come see you tommorow.


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« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2006, 06:40:30 PM »

Ok, I think I found something here. I was browsing through the TSB's again and found this one

<copied section>
NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles equipped with a 2.0L DOHC (non turbo) engine built prior to February 15, 1996 MDH (02-15-XX). 


SYMPTOM/CONDITION
Idle speed flares/undershoots/instability/roughness/stall during warm up.
RPM undershoot after declutch (MTX).
A/C engagement RPM flare or surge while rolling at low speed or stopped with light brake application. Vehicle bobble (MTX).
False Malfunction Indicator Light (MIL) illumination with Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC's) "DOWNSTREAM 02 SENSOR STAYS AT CENTER", "EGR SYSTEM FAILURE", "CYLINDER XX MIS-FIRE".
<end copied section>


They got my cylinder #4 misfire to go away, and my oxygen heater sensor to come back, but I still have 4/8 monitors failing as follows:


catalyst monitor   (buy new cat?)
EV evaporative system monitor (?)
oxygen sensor monitor (new rear o2 sensor? i already replaced front)
E  Exhaust Gas Recirculation monitor (clean or new egr valve?)


Plus you said that the misfire is back even after the injector.

And here is the solution.

<copied section>
REPAIR PROCEDURE
This repair involves selectively erasing and reprogramming the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) with new software (calibration changes) for all conditions listed.

FLASH PROGRAMMING (ALL SYMPTOMS)
Connect the MDS (Mopar Diagnostic System) and DRB III (Scan Tool) to the vehicle and power them up.
Use the arrow keys and select #2 MDS DIAGNOSTICS on the DRB III MAIN MENU Screen.
Use the arrow keys and select DIAGNOSTIC MENU on the MDS, then press NEXT MENU.
Use the arrow keys and select CONTROLLER PROGRAMMING on the MDS, then press NEXT MENU.
Use the arrow keys and select PROGRAM VEHICLE CONTROLLER on the MDS, then press NEXT MENU.
Follow the steps presented on the MDS and DRB III which will allow the DRB III to obtain the current part number of the PCM.
The MDS will display the part number of the PCM on the vehicle and the appropriate replacement part number, then press NEXT MENU to begin programming.
If the PCM on the vehicle has already been updated or programmed, a NO UPDATES AVAILABLE message will be displayed. Check the part number of the PCM on the vehicle and compare it to the part number displayed. If the PCM has already been updated, then another condition exists that will require further diagnosis and repair.

The MDS and DRB III will prompt for any operator action needed during the remainder of the programming process.
NOTE: The following steps are required by law. 


Type the necessary information on the "Authorized Software Update Label" P/N 4669020 shown in Fig. 1 . Attach the label to the PCM and cover the label with the clear plastic overlay.
Type the necessary information on the "Authorized Modification Label" shown in Fig. 2 , and attach the label near the VECI Label.
<end copied section>

hopefully that will solve the problem and not the entire ECU.  Even if you get the new ECU you will have to take it to Dodge and get it flashed with the software.

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« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2006, 06:53:44 PM »

Also I am sorry I didn't find this sooner but TSB's are something I can only take in small doses.  I printed it out if you want to get a copy to take to the dealership and ask them why they didn't try it.

anyway, back to work or whatever it is I call what I do here.
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« Reply #52 on: March 12, 2006, 03:32:58 AM »

Thanks for your help Rich.

I know my venge may *look* like excrement but has run VERY VERY well since the day I got it (no oil on the dipstick and all!!!)



Passing DEQ = first priority

Secondary priorities =   PAINT, upper passenger ball joint, driver tie rod, alignment, and that big engine mount on the passenger side Tongue

THEN it will be a nice car Cheesy


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« Reply #53 on: March 12, 2006, 03:43:05 AM »

Darktengu I just noticed I never answered you in my "common problems to look for" post.


The noise/vibration stopped, the clutch grabs EXCELLENT!!  I even tried WOT in 5th gear @ 45-50 MPH and it grabs.

One less thing on my list above Smiley



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« Reply #54 on: March 12, 2006, 04:11:41 AM »

I'm glad at least one thing on your car isn't broken!  Cheesy  Hopefully you'll be able to get a bunch of that stuff fixed before summers end.
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« Reply #55 on: March 12, 2006, 05:13:39 AM »

Thanks man, I hope so.


I already have some black wheels picked out for it (car is black) that are unfortunately at the bottom of my list.  Hopefully it will be as nice looking as yours someday.

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« Reply #56 on: March 13, 2006, 05:27:31 PM »

Thanks!  You should post up a pic of the rims you want.
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« Reply #57 on: March 13, 2006, 08:43:15 PM »

Totally, I was meaning to ask if this offset will work:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/18-HP-HPR5-wheels-5x114-3-Mazda-3-6-Protege5-Nissan_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43958QQitemZ8041116174QQrdZ1
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« Reply #58 on: March 13, 2006, 10:44:06 PM »

Those look REAL nice and yes they should fit.  This site is good for checking offsets

http://www.discountedwheelwarehouse.com/Dodge___Vehicle_Bolt_Pattern_Reference.cfm
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« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2006, 04:21:27 AM »

I like them too because they are real similar to the Konig Villians (they do not make anymore) that I had on my old venge.


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