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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2006, 06:18:08 AM »

My #4 plug gets white on the tip after running the car for about an hour....?

I think the cam sensor is fine... if it wasn't, it would throw its own code wouldn't it?   not cyl#4 misfire?


coilpack in the mail.....


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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2006, 04:55:25 PM »

Hopefully the coilpack works.  Keep me updated  Grin
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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2006, 08:07:50 AM »

it wasn't the coilpack.

dodge dealership can't even figure it out...     they are keeping it until monday now.      Sad

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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2006, 04:27:40 PM »

BAH!!!   Angry

This is irratating and it's not even my car!
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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2006, 05:35:49 PM »

Sorry man its irritating me too trust me.

5/8 of the monitors that show on an OBD2 code reader are not functioning on my car either!!!

misfire monitor, fuel monitor, and comprehensive component monitor are the only 3 functioning.
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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2006, 05:57:51 PM »

Ok, I have been reading through this post and have some more questions... however that last post makes me wonder...
ok first question, what year is your car??  I assume its the 2.0...  I was reading through all the TSB's and most of them relate to carbon tracking on the plugs or just replacement of them with a different plug... that was only for the 95-96 model years though.  I believe that in 96 they had a recall on the PCM because the OBDII would reset after every key off cycle and wipe out any codes that it had stored up.  I had this problem with my 96 when I bought it and it would not pass emmisions because it never had a ready status. 

I hope this helps and good luck.

Oh yeah one last thing. When you say that the end of the plug had white on it, is it just normal plug carbon buildup white or is it oil fouled white??
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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2006, 01:21:51 AM »

Thats exactly what the dealership said my car is doing.  It's a 96.

They said "its not storing any fault codes"  but they can still get cylinder #4 misfire when they plug into it....?

And I'm not sure what kind of white, I just know that plug #4 should not turn white on the tip after 1 hour of use and the other plugs do not.


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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2006, 09:32:01 PM »

Chris

Not looking to hijack your thread but I'm having a misfire problem that might be the same as yours. I've been chasing this for months. Maybe some of this can help us figure this out.

This might be kind of long...

I have a '96 with auto trans. The ECU will give me a flashing CEL but only when the car is in park. Once the car is in gear  the CEL will eventually stop flashing. It will also stop flashing if I turn on the AC and get the condenser fan to start.

My current theory  Grin is that this might be fuel or injector related. On a fluke I noticed that the CEL will not flash if the gas tank is almost empty. I try not to let it run too low so I didn't notice it at first. Once I put more that a quarter of a tank in, the flashing CEL will come back.

I've read a lot of threads on other forums and looked at some service manuals to get an idea of how the fuel system works. If I have a leaking or stuck open injector the fuel may be bogging down that cylinder. When the tank is almost empty the fuel pressure at the rail may drop off slightly since the pump has to work harder. I geuss that shouldn't happen if the regulator is working right. When it goes down slightly, the engine can handle the air/fuel mix at idle. If the pressure goes up there is more fuel being put out by the bad injector especially in between spark firing cycles.

That could be why turning on the AC works temporally. The ECU opens the idle control valve to compensate for increased engine load from the condenser fan. The increased air and load helps to burn off the extra fuel in the cyl. When the car is moving the extra fuel can be burned without too much trouble.

Does any of this make any sense or am I completely off base about how the fuel system works?

I'm a little cautious in changing anyting else or buying a fuel pressure gauge since I've done that with no luck.

Chris have you noticed anything different with your fuel system?

I've changed, upgraded, or cleaned a bunch of things (plugs, wires, coil - also MSD, idle control motor, MAP, coolant temp sensor, throttle plate, etc...). Every time I reset the ECU, eventually it will come back to cyl. #4.

I thought about the ECU being a problem but it seems that that would cause a more random problem and not constantly come back only to the same cyl.
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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2006, 10:53:56 PM »

alright here is what I got.

is it more like

A:


B:


C:


that might help us diagnose better...
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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2006, 02:02:03 AM »

Looks like A but the whole tip turns white like that.

I think it is the cars ECU.

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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2006, 06:36:33 AM »

A would be normal... odd that it would just be on the one plug however... hmmm
hmmm I say...
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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2006, 12:42:54 AM »

Dealership says:



#4 fuel injector.




Will let you know if it resolves all of the problems or just the misfire...
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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2006, 01:21:33 AM »

If it doesn't I just bought a semiauto shotgun we can test.  Cheesy
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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2006, 10:42:38 AM »

I blame Darktengu Sad



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Re: cyl #4 misfire....?
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2006, 05:31:03 PM »

LOL yes it was me.  In an attempt to have the most posts ever on the board.  I ruin peoples cars so I can post what MIGHT be wrong with them!! LOL
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