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« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2008, 12:18:44 AM »

But yeah, the body filler is there to fill in those small crevice's and imperfections that are left over so that you have a smooth[er] more complete surface to sand. and sand you will. oh yes, there will be sanding.

 
lol, good thing i bought these 10 sheets of 220 grit sandpapers half a year ago, i knew they will come in handy one day.
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« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2008, 12:21:44 AM »

exactly. if i'm not mistaken, once you have your body filled back in to where it's supposed to be, and sanded pretty smooth, then comes the primer and more sanding with a finer grit. more primer, then more sanding. lol
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« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2008, 03:19:08 AM »

exactly. if i'm not mistaken, once you have your body filled back in to where it's supposed to be, and sanded pretty smooth, then comes the primer and more sanding with a finer grit. more primer, then more sanding. lol



and let me guess, more sanding...?
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« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2008, 06:03:31 AM »

And dennnnnnnn....?
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« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2008, 07:17:28 PM »


and dennnn I go inside the house and order a pepperoni pizza pie and eat 5 slices with a nice sparkling cold sprite.
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« Reply #65 on: September 04, 2008, 09:14:23 AM »

alright guys, i did the best i could to fix the quarter panel. tommorow im going to autozone to buy the "tiger hair" and saturday il be starting to fill in the area.
just to verify this, i also need the fiber glass bondo as well{the one with the red mustang on the logo} as the "icing on the cake" to be applied on top of the tiger hair like shiano mentioned, correct?
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« Reply #66 on: September 04, 2008, 01:35:34 PM »

In liquid form before it solidifies and after it solidifies:

Fiber Glass = Resin
Bondo         = Body Filler

2 different things. Don't make me get one of those inflatable squeaker hammers and hit you ever 5 secs in the head repeating this.

Now, the Bondo [body filler] is the icing on the cake because it goes on top [obviously by now. lol].

These might help.

site 1

site 2

and trust me, 'a little dab' of hardener does NOT go a long way. you might as well use a table or teaspoon full of it. I played around with it about a year and a half ago. lets just say that the amount of hardener it said to use, left the body filler soft and didn't dry all the way. I adjusted the amount of hardener i used for the next batch and it turned out perfect. if you lightly knock on it and hear a dull 'thud', it's too soft. if you hear a knock like on a hardwood table, you're there.
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« Reply #67 on: September 04, 2008, 07:43:58 PM »

In liquid form before it solidifies and after it solidifies:

Fiber Glass = Resin
Bondo         = Body Filler

2 different things. Don't make me get one of those inflatable squeaker hammers and hit you ever 5 secs in the head repeating this.

Now, the Bondo [body filler] is the icing on the cake because it goes on top [obviously by now. lol].

These might help.

site 1

site 2

and trust me, 'a little dab' of hardener does NOT go a long way. you might as well use a table or teaspoon full of it. I played around with it about a year and a half ago. lets just say that the amount of hardener it said to use, left the body filler soft and didn't dry all the way. I adjusted the amount of hardener i used for the next batch and it turned out perfect. if you lightly knock on it and hear a dull 'thud', it's too soft. if you hear a knock like on a hardwood table, you're there.

okay, so then just to get this right Shiano, the "Tiger Hair" is the fiber glass, which in other words = resin?
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« Reply #68 on: September 05, 2008, 09:32:42 AM »

lol. The Tiger Hair is ... well, this is taken from a site that sells it

"""Tiger Hair is a polyester filler fortified with long fiberglass strands for superior strength. Can be used with or without fiberglass cloth or mat. Bridges gaps in non-structural metal or fiberglass panels. Highly resistant to moisture absorption. Long strand fillers are used mainly to repair fiberglass."""

Fiberglass is broken down into the following types: Resin and Fillers. Fillers consist of Mat, Cloth, and Tiger Hair. Without the resin though, you can't really have anything.

This is from another site.

"""There are at least three different types of fiberglass; each feature different properties. The strongest and most reinforced has long strands of fiberglass in it and is called “tiger hair.” The mid-grade bondo or “mookie” is filler putty with some short strands of glass in it. The final level – finishing or smoothing mookie – is polyester-based, and until the stuff hardens, it flows like syrup into and around the nooks and crannies of your piece. This stuff isn’t very durable, which makes it easiest to sand."""

Resin is a liquid. Tiger Hair is a Resin + Strands.

And when you sand, wear a mask or you will die.
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« Reply #69 on: September 06, 2008, 07:40:41 AM »

lol. The Tiger Hair is ... well, this is taken from a site that sells it

"""Tiger Hair is a polyester filler fortified with long fiberglass strands for superior strength. Can be used with or without fiberglass cloth or mat. Bridges gaps in non-structural metal or fiberglass panels. Highly resistant to moisture absorption. Long strand fillers are used mainly to repair fiberglass."""

Fiberglass is broken down into the following types: Resin and Fillers. Fillers consist of Mat, Cloth, and Tiger Hair. Without the resin though, you can't really have anything.

This is from another site.

"""There are at least three different types of fiberglass; each feature different properties. The strongest and most reinforced has long strands of fiberglass in it and is called “tiger hair.” The mid-grade bondo or “mookie” is filler putty with some short strands of glass in it. The final level – finishing or smoothing mookie – is polyester-based, and until the stuff hardens, it flows like syrup into and around the nooks and crannies of your piece. This stuff isn’t very durable, which makes it easiest to sand."""

Resin is a liquid. Tiger Hair is a Resin + Strands.

And when you sand, wear a mask or you will die.

okay, so im lil stranded right now, and not sure what to get or how many things to get.
in simple words, when i go to advance auto or wal-mart, what do i get, fill these lines for me please, lol:
1 - ?
2- ?
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« Reply #70 on: September 06, 2008, 09:36:28 AM »

This is the Tiger hair http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=10439&itemType=PRODUCT


But that's if you need it.

Now, IF you use fiberglass resin:

1:

2: x2

3: OR

And gloves. lots and lots of gloves [latex, or neoprene].

If you look closely at the two cloth bags, you'll notice one is WOVEN together
and one is just chopped pieces pressed together into a sheet
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Now, if you use Body Filler [which is what i'd use]:

1: Buy a can of the body filler from Advance, Napa, etc. It will be red with a classic red mustang on the front.

2: Buy a tube of Cream Hardener. Not the clear.

3: Remember, the more you put on, the more you have to sand off. Do a youtube or google search on body filler sanding techniques.

4: You will use a decent amount of hardener. If not, you will be left with a soft, and slightly tacky amount of filler [which is a nightmare]. you'll have to pull it off, and start again.
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« Reply #71 on: September 07, 2008, 03:42:57 AM »

This is the Tiger hair http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=10439&itemType=PRODUCT


But that's if you need it.

Now, IF you use fiberglass resin:

1:

2: x2

3: OR

And gloves. lots and lots of gloves [latex, or neoprene].

If you look closely at the two cloth bags, you'll notice one is WOVEN together
and one is just chopped pieces pressed together into a sheet
.


Now, if you use Body Filler [which is what i'd use]:

1: Buy a can of the body filler from Advance, Napa, etc. It will be red with a classic red mustang on the front.

2: Buy a tube of Cream Hardener. Not the clear.

3: Remember, the more you put on, the more you have to sand off. Do a youtube or google search on body filler sanding techniques.

4: You will use a decent amount of hardener. If not, you will be left with a soft, and slightly tacky amount of filler [which is a nightmare]. you'll have to pull it off, and start again.
i see. but can i ask you again what are those fiberglass cloth and mats are for?
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« Reply #72 on: September 07, 2008, 05:16:25 AM »

You don't need the mat. How well did you get the damage pulled back out? Do you have a current pic of it?
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« Reply #73 on: September 07, 2008, 06:34:20 AM »

The mats and cloth are for when you need to build up surface or create surface on a fiberglass project. you know, like fiberglass enclosures. you know, like sub enclosures.

I know this will be kinda evil and inspirational, but this will show you what the mat [Chopped Strand] and the cloth [Woven/Braided] are used for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsvgaWHPMF4&feature=related


The green stuff he uses in this one, is a type of cloth. It's more of an industrial one, but it allows you to put it on once, instead of layering to get the same strength. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9Snm3SRzeA&feature=related
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« Reply #74 on: September 09, 2008, 01:05:32 AM »

The mats and cloth are for when you need to build up surface or create surface on a fiberglass project. you know, like fiberglass enclosures. you know, like sub enclosures.

I know this will be kinda evil and inspirational, but this will show you what the mat [Chopped Strand] and the cloth [Woven/Braided] are used for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsvgaWHPMF4&feature=related


The green stuff he uses in this one, is a type of cloth. It's more of an industrial one, but it allows you to put it on once, instead of layering to get the same strength. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9Snm3SRzeA&feature=related

OKAY, thanks shiano. you to daes.
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