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Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« on: May 21, 2008, 01:09:21 AM »

Sometimes, Id say half the time if not more, when the engine is hot, and I try to start it soon after I shut it off, it will not start. It turns, but does not start. If I wait maybe an hour, it starts. I have found a solution for this, I press on the gas pressure release on the fuel rail. Gas comes squirting out several feet, then slowly flows out. I think the fuel pressure regulator might be malfunctioning, but why does it only happen when the engine is hot? Maybe it could be useful to say that I forgot my fuel cap at a fuel station, but I dont know if it could affect it, I think it did it before as well.
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Re: Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2008, 01:30:31 AM »

Thought it might help: 1995 4 cyl, manual transmission, this did not happen during the winter, only since the hotter days have arrived
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Re: Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2008, 01:39:18 AM »

replace the regulator first if it's not too much hassle or costly.

Fuel filter maybe?
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Re: Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2008, 01:23:17 AM »

Another other opinions? Where is the regulator on a 95 4 cyl?
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Re: Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2008, 03:27:11 PM »

before you go replacing things all willy nilly, be smart and test it.

When you pressed on the schrader to release the pressure, was your key on, or was it sitting idle.  the sytem will hold pressure and then when you press that it will release it, if the fuel pump is not running you just let out all the pressure so it will do exactly what you described.

First, get a new gas cap, this eliminates this as a problem.
I would check and make sure you have fuel pressure as you crank it.  If you do, this removes fuel pump, pressure regulator and Fuel Pump relay as possibilities.
If you have fuel pressure and everything is good at this point, post up with what pressure you have and any other anomolies you have noticed and we will go from there.
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Re: Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2008, 12:32:28 AM »

In order to start it, I have to releave the pressure at first, no matter if the key is on or off. Its like there is (too much??) pressure in the fuel rail for the injectors, and releasing it helps. It will then start right away, I do not need to wait for the fuel pump to recharge the lines and fuel rail. I was thinking it only happened when the engine is hot or the temperature outside is high because the gas might expand when hot creating the extra pressure?
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Re: Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2008, 12:54:38 AM »

Clogged injectors.  Huh
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Re: Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2008, 12:59:06 AM »

Clogged injectors.  Huh
Maybe, I had thought about it, but I ran two(not at the same time) lucas fuel system cleaners.. Another thing came to mind: block return line? Id have to check these things out, but how? I know I already said it, but I gotta get myself a manual Roll Eyes Tongue
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Re: Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2008, 03:09:43 AM »

You can check the Impedance on the injectors that will tell you if they're just plain out failing but it won't tell you if they're clogged.
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Re: Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2008, 04:17:33 AM »

didn't a certain model have/not have a return line?
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Re: Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2008, 01:34:49 PM »

If I remember right, the 95's were the only ones that did.

I could be wrong though, I will have to look into it.
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Re: Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2008, 02:23:10 PM »

Well you have a 96 so you can check that.  The only ones I know for sure that had it were 95s but I heard that 96 had them too.
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2008, 04:15:13 PM »

First things to check in this case are, fuel filter and fuel pressure.

If you have pressure built up in the sytem the filter could be clogged and the pressure is holding the sediment in place, when you relieve the pressure it allows the sediment or whatever to flow back through the line and removes the clog.

I would still stick a pressure gauge on it and make sure you are getting correct pressure at the fuel rail, pumps can start to go out in warm weather and the sock could be clogging up.  After that I would check the FPR, of course the pressure test should give you some hint as to if that is it or not. 

Also pour in injector cleaners are great but remember the dissolved crap can only go one place, and that is through your fuel system.  I would recommend paying the $70-100 to take it to an ASE certified shop and have them clean it for you.  They will run a pressurized cleaner through it and keep it from staying in your system or going through your injectors.

Let us know.
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Re: Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2008, 09:45:48 PM »

For the fuel return line, I do have a 95. I will check out the filter, its near the washer fluid right? Nykon, your idea about the pressure pushing the sediment into the filter is very possible. And about the return line, where is found?
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Re: Hard Starting When Hot - Fuel Pressure?
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2008, 10:38:56 PM »

Mine does not have  a return line.
It should come off the opposite side of the fuel rail that the pressure line goes in.

DT, my car is an hour and a half away and every time I go to see it I get in trouble for now because of other things, so no... not so much go check it out.

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