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« on: February 08, 2008, 06:24:25 AM »

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=stratcon&gclid=ck2w_nv4s5ecfqiqfqodijmjfa
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2008, 09:09:14 AM »

IF that's true, wow, but i'll still have to see it in action.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2008, 12:54:47 PM »

sounds reasonable, my only issue is the fact that you are using the HHO gas and Gasoline to power the H2O to HHO conversion process. and then you burn the HHO right back into H2O, so overall you'd think you don't actually gain anything. so it all depends on how they work it.

good find nevertheless. unlike most of the other "bolt on for instant MPGS" system, this one looks slightly possible.
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2008, 04:02:47 PM »

ok i just stepped outside, and i thought of another flaw; ITS FREAKING COLD, water freezes, and i don't think the process would work with anti-freeze in it.
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2008, 05:39:25 PM »

ok i just stepped outside, and i thought of another flaw; ITS FREAKING COLD, water freezes, and i don't think the process would work with anti-freeze in it.
it's kept in the car, but it really depends on the conversion process, i'm not sure exactly how much power it takes to convert that water into its HHO counterparts and how they manage to keep them separate since....Hydrogen tend to stabilize as molecules, same with oxygen, from what I know with chemistry, it doesnt seem feasible, unless it is separated...after which the oxygen atoms would stabilize as oxygen molecules, unless during the electrolysis (not electroloysis) process, it fills the oxygen outer shell with 4 electrons to make up for the loss so that they stay as oxygen and the same with they hydrogen..o excrement!!...that might work...but if it doesnt, then whatt's with the news reports??
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2008, 10:27:46 PM »

i don't care if its kept in the car, i had a mountain dew in my car and it froze. i wonder if expansion room is designed into it incase the system does freeze. cause it would suck to have to remove the system every winter or risk replacing it every winter.

and i think what they do is just split it into hydrogen gas and oxygen gas, they just call it HHO so people buy their product instead of just going out and buying a hydrogen fuel cell.

that is of course, just what i think, i could be wrong. its been a while since chemistry, but i know that if you apply a very small amount of electricity(we used a 6"x6" solar panel) it pumps out hydrogen and oxygen, which if added into a combustion chamber would add to the burn, the only issue i could see would be predetonation. and depending on how its put into the engine, backfire could be BAAAADDD.(think *bam*, bye bye intake)
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2008, 10:50:05 PM »

gas = 106.9/Liter (1.06$)

distiled water = 1.99/Liter
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2008, 11:35:13 PM »

gas = 106.9/Liter (1.06$)

distiled water = 1.99/Liter

it says you don't need to use distilled water.....doesn't it? or am i thinking of something else.
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2008, 11:38:34 PM »

Yeah it says you can run it off tap water.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2008, 08:09:43 AM »

Im waving the BS flag. ive worked on cars enough to know this just wont work efficiently if at all. I know what the site says, i just flat out do not believe it. and until i see a car with an enternal combustion engine doing this and everything working well i wont.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2008, 10:58:45 AM »

when i lived at my grandmother's and we ran the water alot [gardening, car washing, showering, dishwashing, laundry, etc] the most the bill ever ran on water was $12. Put that in your tank and burn it. lol
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2008, 08:49:54 PM »

Im waving the BS flag. ive worked on cars enough to know this just wont work efficiently if at all. I know what the site says, i just flat out do not believe it. and until i see a car with an enternal combustion engine doing this and everything working well i wont.


i'd tend to agree, but its an interesting concept.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2008, 05:12:33 AM »

Im waving the BS flag. ive worked on cars enough to know this just wont work efficiently if at all. I know what the site says, i just flat out do not believe it. and until i see a car with an enternal combustion engine doing this and everything working well i wont.


i'd tend to agree, but its an interesting concept.
i think its possible, im not saying that they however, have discovered how, but..its not impossible.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2008, 06:01:07 PM »

i think its possible, im not saying that they however, have discovered how, but..its not impossible.

the only real thing that makes me hesitant is the fact that you can't make energy.....so you use electricity to convert a substance into a fuel and you use that fuel to make electricity(alternator)= net loss due to ineffeciency.

the only thing that makes me think it might be possible is that they aren't running it as fuel only, its an additive, so i don't know how the "HHO gas" reacts with the hydrocarbons in gasoline. i would think it would lower the octane rating, making it more prone to predet. (for those who don't know the octane rating is basically the fuels resistance to predetonation. so 87 octane is more likely to predet than 89 octane. higher octanes allow for more compression, which makes more power, its not that higher octane is more powerful, though sometimes it is.)
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2008, 06:17:26 PM »

hydrogen is a means for storing energy. what I'm saying is, lead can be converted to gold, it has been done, its just very inefficient, however, if you have electricity being produced in ur regular car (I'm sure u use the electricity in ur car unnecessarily at times, so y not use it to go back to the engine? well, simply b/c net energy in = net energy out, considering the energy converter in a vacuum. so...a car here...not gonna be worth it, unless u convert it at home from ur electricity, and store it for use in ur car, but u cant use the car to produce electricity, then convert that to mechanical energy and expect a gain.,
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