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Question: If you could decide tomorrow which of these eight would be President who would it be?
Hillary Clinton - 3 (25%)
Barack Obama - 3 (25%)
Mike Gravel - 0 (0%)
Mike Huckabee - 4 (33.3%)
Alan Keys - 0 (0%)
John McCain - 1 (8.3%)
Ron Paul - 1 (8.3%)
Mitt Romney - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 12

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Re: 2008 Presidential Election (Stateside)
« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2008, 06:03:22 AM »

A statement by Ron Paul (you'll love this DT) in 2002

And here it is again proving it wasn't just some Republican Propaganda

Even though I'm not a Dem, this was still interesting and I'd like to qoute part of a paragraph.

"This is further verified by the Time story, America's 10 best senators and the 5 worst, published April 24, 2006. One of the five worst senators was Wayne Allard (R) from Colorado, nicknamed the invisible man. He is one of the few senators ever who spends less than his administrative budget and gives the surplus back to the treasury, which can be applied to reduce the national debt. Time reported him as one of the worst senators. [<== WTF ya know? This is helping no matter how little it's still helping!!] This is the message from the media about our national debt and fiscal responsibility of our government. If senators are not creating and passing a lot of legislation that spends money on special interest projects then they are bad. However, people like Senator Kyl (R) from my state of Arizona is one of the 10 best because he is skilled at working in the shadows to shape the current republican agenda. In other words he is a stab-you-in-the-back-snake who has helped shape our fiscal disaster and added to our national debt over the last 6 years."
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« Reply #61 on: February 07, 2008, 02:20:27 PM »

The problem is Corporate America wants to make as much money as it can, without caring about what happens to the country.  They fund our Political Machine.  They want certain things to happen, and the country needs to take out money to pay for it.  The war is killing us financially.  How much do you need to sacrifice so other people can be happy.

You have 12000 dollars, your cost of living is 500 a month.  You spend 800 a month donating to your neighbor because he can't pay his bills.  Pretty soon you're the one being evicted/foreclosed.

People are stupid and selfish.  (Selfish doesn't just mean money it can be self-satisfaction like helping losers on wel-fare)
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Re: 2008 Presidential Election (Stateside)
« Reply #62 on: February 07, 2008, 04:20:34 PM »

politics....the world  would be in so much worse sh*t w/o it...but what u gonna do, i'm glad I was born here where I do have some choice...well..came here. Tongue
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« Reply #63 on: February 07, 2008, 04:50:44 PM »

It's the extreme views I have a problem with extreme muslems, just like any other extreme religon.  You do yours, I do mine.. no one gets hurt.  When you go around and be extreme and start forcing it on someone else then I have a problem.  I also knew an ex muslem (he converted) and the things he told me were quite eye opening to say the least.  He did have some real interesting things to tell me.  So I am still a bit wary of Barack for that reason alone... even tho if you google it, he says he's not muslem at all.
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« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2008, 04:59:08 PM »

here is something interesting to that matter.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_barack_obama_muslim.htm
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« Reply #65 on: February 07, 2008, 05:09:59 PM »

I dunno.. same thing basically I read on wikipedia and it still didn't ring right for me.  I don't know if it's just my mistrust or what.  Just that they are going off of well he said he's not so he must not be.  The poll on that website shows that even after reading that people still thought that he might be one.  I dunno.. have to watch more and see what I can figure out myself.  Good thing I alone don't choose our new prez...lol.
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« Reply #66 on: February 07, 2008, 06:01:54 PM »

lol, yes i guess it's a case of "If we have this many opinions favored in this direction, it becomes true."

this is how I feel about these rumors:

Very sad to say, people to this day have not grown up and there are still extremists in the united states in the form of racial preferences. I believe that this ignorance along with a combination of the short-sightedness of the individuals who had generated these emails, assume that because he went to a muslim school, he must have been muslim. Growing up, I have been around drugs, I used to prepare marijuana for sale in a room filled with the crop. I as born in Jamaica and to this day I have never even THOUGHT of smoking it. Many ppl may not believe me, but it is the ideas of the individual that really matters. I believe his biological father is muslim, I believe he went to a muslim school, but under no circumstances does that make him an extreme muslim or part of any extreme society.

What I'm saying is, even though we may try to ignore the fact that we inhibit extremist in our own nation, it is this very issue that is preventing us from making progress. this minority in the United States is the same form of extremist that terrorize our country, hence our society being dismantled inside out.
 
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« Reply #67 on: February 07, 2008, 07:50:05 PM »

I wouldn't say it's a racial thing.  His father was an atheist and was killed in a car crash when Barack was 21, tho from accounts his father was born into the Muslim faith.  If I had to choose between him and Hilary, I would chose him.  But he isn't who I will be voting for when the time comes, I'm pretty sure of that.  That's whats so nice about our country... we can chose who we feel best represents our ideals in how the country should be run.  Majority rules.  Here in Canada it's a bit different and I tend to like the way the US runs (and it may well be that it is what I am used to).  Any minority can rise to what they want to be with some hard work.  Life doesn't come easy to everyone and some of us need to work harder in order to achieve what we perceive as sucess.  Preconceived notions of people aren't always true.  I met a Jamaican who didn't have an accent and I said you can't be as you have no accent.  He showed me his papers and said if his family ever caught him using the slang that he would have been reprimanded.  The guy I was speaking of before you would say oh look.. he must be Muslim and while he was once he was very much a Christian now.  But when presented with information that you can't refute as true or false it is best to hold back until a truth from your point of view is found. 

How about now we get back to the topic at hand tho.  Looks like Mitt Romney has also bowed out.  Didn't look like he was high on the list of many people here as no one voted for him.
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« Reply #68 on: February 07, 2008, 07:57:15 PM »

Now I have a question.  Now that Romney has backed out what happens to the states he won.  Do they go unaccounted for or does it go to the next person down?  Like Romney won North Dakota... are they just not counted in there or does McCain get them since he was in 2nd place there?
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« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2008, 08:02:31 PM »

I'm not sure how that particular event turns out, no info on that, but i believe it just goes as a loss since he won the state THEN quit.
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« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2008, 08:14:12 PM »

well doesn't that suck then... too bad those people don't get to vote again then...lol.
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« Reply #71 on: February 07, 2008, 08:15:29 PM »

I'm not sure how that particular event turns out, no info on that, but i believe it just goes as a loss since he won the state THEN quit.


Republicans -  The state has the right to choose how they want there delegate votes counted.

Democrats -    The Candidates keep what ever they've one so far.  So JBI you'd be correct if Romney was a Democrat
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« Reply #72 on: February 07, 2008, 08:42:34 PM »

cool, thanks.. very interesting.
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« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2008, 04:47:30 AM »

that is very interesting too, thanks for sharing.
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