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« on: January 23, 2008, 07:02:52 PM »

If i was a electronic guru,  could i make this senor read the same as the crank trigger wheel senor on A604?


this is a shot of the 3.5 crank:






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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2008, 09:34:54 PM »

can you take a picture in focus by stepping away and using the zoom ?

I'm trying to figure out if the sensor read the timming belt sprocket or the ring in the back

an eletronic solution could be possible if you know how to work with microcontrollers and if you could figure out the wave pattern of the mitsubishi system

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2008, 05:52:05 AM »

if you dissected both sensors, Im sure u could fit the internal workings of the 2.5 ( i assume?) into that of the 3.5. as long as you dont route ur electron flow backwards.
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2008, 06:17:37 AM »

the problem is not the sensor itself

the problem is to re-create the wave pattern of the chrysler crank sensor system

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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2008, 09:55:18 AM »

I was so afraid when i saw that Alain was the last post in this one.

So i take it the crank sensor problem still hasn't been solved, correct?
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2008, 01:48:28 PM »

sorry about the poor photo, its tough to "step back" when the crank is roughly 3" away from the rail...when am home, which is 3hrs away i will take a better picture


I do have another one, but again not in good focus...looks good as a thumbnail Cheesy




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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2008, 01:51:15 PM »

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I'm trying to figure out if the sensor read the timming belt sprocket or the ring in the back

It is reading the ring in the back...the ring has different notches and spaces.


I will get better pictures, but it will be awhile


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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2008, 02:31:59 PM »

the problem is not the sensor itself

the problem is to re-create the wave pattern of the chrysler crank sensor system

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so one pattern is mitsu, and we're trying to modify that to recreate the chrysler wave pattern. the question itself then seems a bit confusing.
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2008, 03:43:04 PM »


It is reading the ring in the back...the ring has different notches and spaces.


option A
if you are good with metal work and you know how to work with a caliper and protractor you could make something for yourself

the easy way is to make to scale a replica of the flexplate which also works mwith notches and spaces, the scale has to be as accurate as possible
that replica could be either a pulley , a wheel or a ring etc

how to do it ?
first you need to know the circumference of the flexplate measured somewhere near the middle of the notches
that circumference is translated to 360 degres
next you measure all the spaces and notches and also translate all that in degres
the sum would be very close to 360

after that you do the reverse
your new diameter is 360 degres
and you translate all your measures from degres to centimer or inches etc

option B
you go to the ASEC board and check the 5 speed swap thread in the high performance section
there is a custom trigger wheel under devellopment that should it production

option C
purely electronic mostly software programmation actually
you build a device that will translate mitsubishi into chrysler
you still know to know in degres the mitsubishi AND the chrysler pattern
you program a micro controller to output the chrysler pattern based on the input of a mitsubishi pattern
getting the right initial timming will demand trial and error

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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2008, 04:22:22 PM »

you mean the trigger wheel I e-mailed a place to get a price on getting some made...and they accidentally cut them out... Shocked
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2008, 05:10:37 PM »

metal is the only option (have access to a lathe, mill, brake, plasma, welder, etc..) so:
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option A
if you are good with metal work and you know how to work with a caliper and protractor you could make something for yourself

the easy way is to make to scale a replica of the flexplate which also works mwith notches and spaces, the scale has to be as accurate as possible
that replica could be either a pulley , a wheel or a ring etc

how to do it ?
first you need to know the circumference of the flexplate measured somewhere near the middle of the notches
that circumference is translated to 360 degres
next you measure all the spaces and notches and also translate all that in degres
the sum would be very close to 360

after that you do the reverse
your new diameter is 360 degres
and you translate all your measures from degres to centimer or inches etc
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2008, 05:16:05 PM »

I need an extra flex plate...anyone got one?



Shoot me an pm if you got one.









how did i go from motor swap to maybe trans. swap? Undecided

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2008, 02:52:59 AM »

how did i go from motor swap to maybe trans. swap? Undecided

Because you won't stop.  I'm waiting to see you just decide to do an AWD swap.
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2008, 03:08:32 AM »

Because you won't stop.  I'm waiting to see you just decide to do an AWD swap.

very doable with an atx Smiley
get a drivetrain from an all wheel drive caravan and swap bellhousing Roll Eyes

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how did i go from motor swap to maybe trans. swap?

just a reminder that going mtx also has one more dilemma
if you choose the mitsubishi transmission you could use the clutch system of the i4 avenger but the transmission will not clear the avenger frame and you will need custom axles and engine supports
if you choose a chrysler A543 transmission you could keep you axles and it will fit in the frame you will need a custom cable clutch system and engine supports

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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2008, 02:07:52 PM »

a604 Flex plate senor is an "on" or "off" switch, correct: does it read the "windows" as a closed circut or open circut?


either way am probably going to make two different versions, becasue i dont know how the mitsubishi senor reads.



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