haha i have that trubo mag too, they explain it as there is one type and im to lazy to see which one they say it is but since it draws a lot off of the batteries and such they say you gotta use it like nitro especially if its hooked up to the car battery
The folks at Garret (expert turbo makers for those who dont know) experimented with a turbo/electric hybrid. At idle an electric motor spooled the turbo to reduce or eliminate turbo lag on accleration. But they found they had to use 36 or 48vdc to spool the turbo up. 12vdc just wouldnt cut it without to much draw. The reason why those electric "blowers" wont work is because there based on the volume of air moved, where turbo and superchargers work on pressure. If you want to make more power out of a motor, you need pressure to force that extra air into an engine. Just blowing air into an engine wont force enough air to make any power. The only time that an electric blower will work is at idle when the engines VE (Volumetric Efficiency) is low. And for the record, Nitrous oxide is NOT, repeat NOT flammable, neither is oxygen. They help or "excite" combustion. The more oxygen thats added to combustion, the hotter an faster it burns. Dont believe me? well i dont think a hospital would prescribe an extremely flammable gas to an old lady/man to help them breathe cuz they smoked for so long.
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this one does work. It just cant be used in long runs or constantly it has no parasitic drag and is pretty efficient but it eats batteries up like a fat kid eats cake.
This is out of Turbo (the magazing doing the article on the superchargers as another means of boost to a turbo): "And then there's the electic Eaton supercharger. Thomas Knight offiers its version of this. The ESC 400 supercharger powered by three electric motors that, toghether, produce roughly 18 hp; this is power that isn't taken from the crankshaft. An auxiliary battery pack with four small bateris provides the power. The biggest advantage here is that boost is completely independent of crank speed meaning you can get full boost whenever you want within .3 seconds of hitting the switch. If unregulated though, it's possible to hit more than 28 psi of boost in a 4 cylinder engine at low engine speeds." it goes on to say that as speed raises boost lowers but thats a given, they say the biggest drawback to this thing is its power consumption...a fat kid and his cake...they say the max amount of time this thing can be on is about 15 seconds on a 12 volt system if you dont want to eat the battery down to nothing (it can run longer but it will drain the whole battery) Also at least 20 mins of drive time is needed to get the battery back up after just 15 seconds.
So i would say it works pretty damn well and there isnt a problem creating boost.
NOS is flamable, in liquid state it isnt once it is in a gas state it is highly flamable. also those tanks DO NOT SMOKE NEAR THEM(amd run your ass off if someone is) they are full of 100% oxygen under pressure...the presence of a spark in that or to much heat will cause an explosion, oxygen by itslef isnt flamable but under pressure its another story.
this one does work. It just cant be used in long runs or constantly it has no parasitic drag and is pretty efficient but it eats batteries up like a fat kid eats cake.
This is out of Turbo (the magazing doing the article on the superchargers as another means of boost to a turbo): "And then there's the electic Eaton supercharger. Thomas Knight offiers its version of this. The ESC 400 supercharger powered by three electric motors that, toghether, produce roughly 18 hp; this is power that isn't taken from the crankshaft. An auxiliary battery pack with four small bateris provides the power. The biggest advantage here is that boost is completely independent of crank speed meaning you can get full boost whenever you want within .3 seconds of hitting the switch. If unregulated though, it's possible to hit more than 28 psi of boost in a 4 cylinder engine at low engine speeds." it goes on to say that as speed raises boost lowers but thats a given, they say the biggest drawback to this thing is its power consumption...a fat kid and his cake...they say the max amount of time this thing can be on is about 15 seconds on a 12 volt system if you dont want to eat the battery down to nothing (it can run longer but it will drain the whole battery) Also at least 20 mins of drive time is needed to get the battery back up after just 15 seconds.
So i would say it works pretty damn well and there isnt a problem creating boost.
NOS is flamable, in liquid state it isnt once it is in a gas state it is highly flamable. also those tanks DO NOT SMOKE NEAR THEM(amd run your ass off if someone is) they are full of 100% oxygen under pressure...the presence of a spark in that or to much heat will cause an explosion, oxygen by itslef isnt flamable but under pressure its another story.
lol...fat kids and cake....
technically Mo'Joe is right, but in the presence of the smallest flame the flame consumes it, in the presence of 100% oxygen or nitrous, expecially if its under pressure, the oxgen/nitrous will burn on its own. again apollo 1 astrounauts, 100% oxygen enviornment, add one electrical spark and the oxygen burned them alive.
Oxygen an nitrous are oxidizers, not a fuel. You hold a match to an oxygen tank, the match will burn like crazy cuz it has 100% pure oxygen. If nitrous was flammable it would completely defeat the purpose of squirting it into an engine. You squirt nitrous because the heat breaks the molecule apart giving you 2 parts oxygen to every one part nitrogen, the added increase in oxygen means you can add more fuel to make more power. If nitrous was flammable it would be like adding in extra fuel making the engine run rich. Which anyone familar with nitrous knows that if you dont know what ur doing it will lean out the engine making it run hott an inevitably destroying the engine becuase of the added oxygen. I also didnt say electric superchargers dont work, i said the electric blowers you see for sale all over the place dont work. You also just proved why Garrett had to use a 36 or 48 volt system. 12volt just wasnt good enough. I thought the Apollo 11 astronauts died because the door lock system failed and they couldnt get out, mixed in with the airtight space capsule and the 100% oxygen rich environment for a fire, pretty much turned into an oven. All in all i gotta give credit to the guy who engineered that supercharger, but for the added weight, complexity, wiring an what not, i'd rather stick with the much more efficient turbocharging that gives me that added power all the time, doesnt require crank power, and doesnt need to be charged for 20minutes before i can use again. But thats just my opinion.
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yeah im with ya on that one the electric supercharger is a waste of time. i know you werent talkin about that SC though just thought i would point out that they have actually made one that worked(i never thought it would for the reasons you posted earlier). though turbos dont deliver power all the time at low engine speeds they actually pull a little due to back pressure issues, still turbo all the way i say power for nothing but a little low end lag.
NOS is flamable, in liquid state it isnt once it is in a gas state it is highly flamable. also those tanks DO NOT SMOKE NEAR THEM(amd run your ass off if someone is) they are full of 100% oxygen under pressure...the presence of a spark in that or to much heat will cause an explosion, oxygen by itslef isnt flamable but under pressure its another story.
O2= oxegen gas N= nitrogen
nitrogen is not flammable o2 isn't flammable alone oxygen is a catalyst not a fuel
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Actually, nowadays with a properly reasearched, planned an designed turbo system, coupled with todays ceramic or inconel cast turbine wheels and ceramic ball bearings, turbo lag is almost a thing of the past. Superchargers work good at low engine speeds and for creating that low end torque, but they simply rob too much power from the crank and are too inefficient for me to want to use them. But to each his own. I really wish there were more boosted members in this forum, if everything works out right i know i'll be all i need to find is a cheap 3.0 block, junkyards around here only have complete engines.
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