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Suspension
« on: September 16, 2007, 03:31:59 AM »

My suspension is shot. So i was wondering what is the best parts to go with for a 97 avenger es Front and Rear. Any help thnz.
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Re: Suspension
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2007, 05:09:29 AM »

please explain.. what part of the suspension. there's a lot there between bushings, shocks, springs, arms etc..
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Re: Suspension
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2007, 05:32:10 AM »

Shocks and springs. See i have a noise in my front end when im driving. You can kinda like feel the wheel spining and u can feel little shaking in the gas pedal. So i was gunna do my shocks and springs since my car does have a 130k on it and see if that helps.
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Re: Suspension
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2007, 04:22:40 PM »

Cheap replace?

GR2s stock springs

Upgrade

AGXs and Eiback pro kit.
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Re: Suspension
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2007, 05:56:58 PM »

http://aseclub.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=88350&st=180

Shocks/struts.... Very good buy, very good prices. Down to the middle of the page.
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Re: Suspension
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2007, 05:51:22 PM »

Ill probably do an upgrade. Will the eibach pro kit work with the v6.
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Re: Suspension
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2007, 09:19:00 PM »

OK You want to lower your car , First off how do you drive it ....
Is the car a daily driver ?? or is it an all out show car??Is the car kitted??what are your local roads like??Snow and ice in the winter?? All of these will influence what type of lowering you might want ...
For a Daily driver I highly suggest a Drop spring , less maintenance/more reliable/Easier on the wallet
All out show car/kitted Think about coilovers or the Tiens for adjustability , ability to slam at shows
Bad local roads /big potholes/steep drives/roadkill galore think of a lesser drop or coilovers/tiens
Snow and ice in winter /think coilovers or tiens for ability to raise it back up for winter(will require alignment)

OK Now What do I need:
Lowering springs that WORK:
Eibach pro kit 1.8" drop settles to about a 2" drop
Suspension Techniques 1.3" drop settles to about 1.75" drop
Intrax 2" drop settles to around 3" drop or more
Dropzone 2" drop settles to 3" or more
OK these are from MY experience on a V6 ... I HIGHLY recommend either the Eibach Pro kit or the Suspension Tech springs... They provide the BEST stock like ride and are VERY drivable on less then perfect roads...
IMO The Intrax and Dropzone springs are VERY VERY low and VERY VERY bouncy
they seem to be remarketed Eclipse springs that have too low of a spring rate to handle the V6 ...

Coilovers that WORK:
Maxspeed/Dreamspeed coilovers
SkunkII Coilovers
These provide good spring rates/driveability and adjustability... They Require an experienced installer to give best results...Poor installation you will have noises bumps rattles ect that will never go away ... Properly installed they are descent but require modification of the struts that VOID warranty...
I DO NOT suggest getting no name ebay coilovers for the eclipse , With too low of spring rates they WILL collapse/They will ride poorly/You will end up replacing them ... Even some Named coilovers will not hold Up , I purchased a set of WeaponR's and they were junk after 3 months...

Tien all in one unit
These include coilovers AND Strut combo's built together ...These are 95/99Eclipse parts but have a high enough spring rate to work
These have great spring rates, are made as a unit so you do not have to assemble them are very reliable and easy to replace the entire suspension...There are several Tien units from the basic to the EDFC adjustable

Struts:
Will I need Struts , YES any lowering will require struts... Can I use my stock struts?? Yes but they will blow and be worthless in no time...So WHY bother, I don't care if you are broke, save your money do it once and do it right !!!
KYB GR2's are very inexpensive CAN be used , But IMO they are not the RIGHT choice they are basically Upgraded stockers... Many have used them , but they fail pretty soon on Springs that are 2" or more, Same with coilovers

KYB AGX's Are more money/more adjustable hold up well to being lowered/ there are two part#'s one for 2" lower one for lower then 2" The lower set is better for coilover use as they have a shorter rod and prevent BOTTOMING...

Koni and Tokkiko both make excellent struts but are normally more expensive and harder to find...

Camber Kits:
After lowering will I need a Camber kit Huh YES you will definately need at least a REAR KIT, this can be done with longer bolts and washers, OR you can purchase a premade kit
Will I need a front kit Huh POSSIBLY I've dropped numerous cars for members/non members and here's what I have found, I've seen 1.3" springs require no kit to up to a 3 degree kit ... What I suggest is dropping the car/let springs settle for at least a week then take the car in for an alignment check, they can then get the car up on a rack and TELL you what kit you will need.... Do your homework on the alignment shop ask locals with local cars that are dropped where they got the alignments done... Try to use a shop thats used to lowered cars and able to get them up on the ramp...

OK how much will all this cost me Huh
Plan on spending around $1000 on parts/alignment ... If you are not a do it yourselfer then add $300 for labor to install some shops will be more/less depending on your area.. Of course those prices are new parts , you might be able to get a deal on used parts but remember you can't be sure on used struts...


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Re: Suspension
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2007, 11:31:51 PM »

Thanx BV.. awsome info.
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Re: Suspension
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2007, 03:43:21 PM »

Thnz for the info. helps out alot.
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Re: Suspension
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2007, 09:09:47 PM »

STRUTS!

Not shocks.

There is a difference. They are not the same. They do the same job, but are completely different.
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Re: Suspension
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2007, 05:27:51 PM »

Okay i was wondering about the noise in my front end was from. I though it was my suspension but as i started to think about it.I dont think thats the problem. I no the orignal owner ran my car up on the curb. From what i can see i dont see any damage to the underside just body. But my car is making noises sounds likes its coming from my front right wheel. You can feel and hear the wheel spinning. The noise is louder when my foot is on the pedal but when i let off its not as loud. Any ideas thanks.
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Re: Suspension
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2007, 08:30:59 PM »

Wheel bearing(hub assembly) or CV joint/axle
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Re: Suspension
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2007, 02:51:06 AM »

I'm leaning toward the cv joints. When a hub assembly starts going bad, it's noise is proportional to your speed or amount of roll being put on the afflicted side in a corner [especially if you have bad struts]. Since you say it gets worse when you press the gas pedal and less when you let off, that seems like as strain is put on the CV's to turn the wheel, they protest. When you let off, they are costing and so no 'force' is making them move other than the natural motion of costing.
Now of course, the tell-tale bad CV joint will make a clicking sound like running your fingernail steadily along a fine toothed comb [the long ones] as you turn. However, that doesn't mean that the hub assembly isn't the problem in this case. If you are able to, and your local transmission shop does free diagnostics [no strings attached], have them inspect your CV's. If they pass, try to find an alignment/suspension specialist that also does free diagnostics or inspections. They should be able to tell you what it is just by riding with you or driving the car themselves.

Either way, make sure it is a shop with a very trust reputation.

This is all just IMO. Like most mechanical problems, to be properly diagnosed, one must experience them in case there might have been something you forgot to include.
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Re: Suspension
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2007, 06:07:13 PM »

I checked both sides on my avenger and both sides didnt have hardly any hobbull. I did rotate my tires on my right side where the sound seems to be coming from. And i noticed today the noise wasnt as bad or wasnt as loud till i got up in the higer speeds. I am going to get my tires balanced. To see if that helps any more. Does anyone have any ideas.
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Re: Suspension
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2007, 02:01:15 AM »

Definitely balance them first since it's at higher speeds.
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