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Fiberglassing
« on: May 19, 2007, 06:47:03 PM »

This is actually an interior mod, but its a bondo type of thing, which would be most useful here.

OK, so obviously after installing a laptop in a dash there is a gap which needs to be filled.  I want to use fiberglass and I have got all the info I need on mixing and applying the layers and stuff.

What I need to know is how to get the basic shape.  Something I can mold in there and then apply the fiberglass to.  Any ideas?
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Re: Fiberglassing
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2007, 07:30:14 PM »

make a cardboard template and transfer to wood for the basic shape. i dont know if a dense foam could be used cause that would be easier to shape than wood.
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2007, 08:43:07 PM »

Well using wood could be done, but there must be an easier way.  It is going to need to be able to conform to flowing curves.
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Re: Fiberglassing
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2007, 08:49:14 PM »

thats why i sugessted a dense foam but i dont know how it will act with the resin when glassing it
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Re: Fiberglassing
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2007, 09:40:33 PM »

Car Preparation

Before any work starts with fiberglass, plan the whole project.

Once resin falls on carpet, upholstery, or other parts in your car, there is no way to get it out.  Cover areas to be worked thoroughly.  If possible, remove panels, seats, carpeting, etc in case an accident does occur.

Cover area to be molded with fiberglass with aluminum foil.   Fiberglass can be laid over the foil and once it dries, foil can be easily peeled off.

Making a Mold

If you are creating a shape in "mid air", you need to make a mold first.  There are different options available.  Some people like to make a frame out of aluminum foil and/or chicken wire.  Other people use modeling clay or shape dried spray expanding foam.

Another option is to make a "skeleton", shape it with cloth and then fiberglass over it:  Make a top and bottom part out of fiberglass, wood, plastic, existing car panels, etc.  Join both with wood or metal braces.   To fill the gaps, glue or staple sweatshirt material or pantyhose.  Apply resin to the cloth or pantyhose.  Once they dry, lay fiberglass over it.

The third option is to use an existing shape, such as a spare tire hole in a trunk.  After removing factory panels and carpeting, apply mold release, aluminum foil or WD-40 to surface (to avoid fiberglass from sticking).  Lay fiberglass, and let dry.

First Layer

First, mix resin and hardener.  Only mix what you will need.   It takes a lot of practice to get the resin/hardener ratio right.  Too much hardener and it will dry right away, too little and it could take several hours.   Temperature in work area also influences drying time.  The hotter the temperature is, the quicker resin will dry.  Also, keep in mind that resin will get warn when drying.

Cut fiberglass mat to size.  It is better to cut a bigger size than what you need for the first layer.  You can always trim excess off when dry.

There are two ways to "wet" the fiberglass mat:  By dipping it in the resin/hardener mixture, or by applying resin with a brush.  In most cases, it is easier to dip the mat.

Once you have a wet mat on your hands, place it on the area that will "shape it".  If you are a beginner, this might be a bit tricky.   The mat will tend to stick to gloves and other stuff you don't want it to.   Spraying some WD-40 on your gloves will help a bit solving this problem.  This first layer would become the foundation of the piece you are building.

Additional Layers

Once the first layer is dry, remove it from the car.  In most cases there is no need to work inside the car for subsequent layers.

Cut and sand excess fiberglass from fist layer, clean dust.   Add next layers in same fashion as fist layer.  Try not to have any gaps or bubbles between layers.  You can use a cheap 1" brush to help get rid of bubbles.  Do not worry about imperfections at this stage, you just want a rough shape with no major protrusions.  All gaps and imperfections will be fixed at the last stage.

Shape and use of the object will determine amount of layers required.  For kick panels, 3 to 4 layers is usually enough.  Subwoofers boxes require more layers.

Bondo Stage

Once you have a defined shape, no major holes and a pretty sturdy piece, you need to smooth out by sanding rough edges.

Bondo is very similar to fiberglass.  Just add a few drops of hardener and drying process begins.  Spread Bondo over you panel.  Try to fill in gaps and valleys.  Do not worry about smoothing it out much.   Once Bondo dries, sand.  Repeat the process as many times as necessary:  Add Bondo, let dry, sand.

On the first steps, a power sander can be used to quickly remove excess material.  On finishing stages, manual sanding might be required, depending on finish desired.

Finishing

Finish smoothness depends on what material you are using to cover the piece up.  Carpet is very forgiving when it comes to imperfections.  Vinyl is less forgiving, you need a pretty smooth surface (a couple extra steps of Bondo might be required).  If you are finishing with paint, then you do need a perfectly smooth surface.
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Re: Fiberglassing
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2007, 09:46:59 PM »

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Re: Fiberglassing
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2007, 10:41:59 PM »

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Re: Fiberglassing
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2007, 06:50:29 AM »

this is why i love this place cause i always learn something new. i would have never thought to use all of that different stuff for a mold. i just got some pretty cool ideas
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Re: Fiberglassing
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2007, 03:33:55 PM »

http://aseclub.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=102119 heres some other good sources
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2007, 05:48:11 PM »

cool thanks Grin
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Re: Fiberglassing
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2007, 07:43:00 PM »

Is this all stuff I can find at Lowes or home depot?
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Re: Fiberglassing
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2007, 01:17:48 AM »

fleece is at the fabric store ... fiberglass supplies are a body supply place/car parts store , and some lowes and home depot
My local Lowes doesn't have it but one near my buddies house does carry it ...
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Re: Fiberglassing
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2007, 02:24:34 PM »

you can use masking tape and cover the laptop with it very well then spray with wd-40
then push it into area with fg or bondo after rough shape has been made. this will give a perfect outline of piece being installed.
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Re: Fiberglassing
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2007, 07:06:36 PM »


Bad venge.......... i'm speechless. the last link you gave on there,




THANK YOU


But, what is MDF?
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Re: Fiberglassing
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2007, 07:51:15 PM »

mdf is the multi density fiber  board (similar to particle board but bigger chunks) it works well for speaker boxes (they sell at lowes /home depot )
if you are just making panels 1/8" luan or paneling will work
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