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turbo manifold
« on: June 30, 2006, 11:36:05 AM »

ok so i've got a 1st gen eclipse 13g turbo and manifold I was wondering will the 4g63t manifold bolt onto the 420a head? if not where can I find a 13g,14b,16g etc flange at?  i wanna turbo my 96 automatic venger and run stock boost, i've got an idle air simulator that i can tune the fuel map by the idle,ive got 450cc injectors....soon to have bored out TB 57mm, i'm only lookin to run stock boost, it'll atleast put me up near 15s possibly lmao
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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2006, 04:40:13 PM »

4g63 have nothing in common with 420a
nothing will fit
there are no manifold made for that tiny turbo, which is btw a waste of money and time
your 450 cc injectors are probably pulled from a talon/eclipse/laser and if so they will fry your ecu because they don't have the right impedance
BTW injectors that size are overkill

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i've got an idle air simulator that i can tune the fuel map by the idle

ok I have no idea what the hell you are talking about and I'm around those cars since 2000
and you can't tune fuel map on our cars because well ... we don't have any

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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2006, 05:46:00 AM »

4g63 have nothing in common with 420a
nothing will fit
there are no manifold made for that tiny turbo, which is btw a waste of money and time
your 450 cc injectors are probably pulled from a talon/eclipse/laser and if so they will fry your ecu because they don't have the right impedance
BTW injectors that size are overkill

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i've got an idle air simulator that i can tune the fuel map by the idle

ok I have no idea what the hell you are talking about and I'm around those cars since 2000
and you can't tune fuel map on our cars because well ... we don't have any

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a big 16g isn't a tiny turbo, the 450cc injectors were brand new Venom injectors, and you know ur right they don't have the right impedence which is why you connect a injector resistor pack from a turbo eclipse, and I have found a manifold for the 420a for a 13g,14b,and 16g....i even found one for a pair sequential 9g's from a 3000gt which can be used on v6.... and about the idle air simulator and yes our ecu does contain fuel maps and yes you can tune them, fuel rate is controlled by the heat and vaccum signal from the ecu well if you put a filter between that is adjustable it gives much leeway to edit and play with, I also now have a palm logger for a second gen eclipse hooked up on my venger. so thanks for the lesson but no thanks, stick to ur honda's with the fart can mufflers and cai because ur not doing any good with dodge or mitsubishi fine tuning
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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2006, 06:53:50 AM »

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fuel rate is controlled by the heat and vaccum signal from the ecu well if you put a filter between that is adjustable it gives much leeway to edit and play with
  Huh

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I also now have a palm logger for a second gen eclipse hooked up on my venger. so thanks for the lesson but no thanks, stick to ur honda's with the fart can mufflers and cai because ur not doing any good with dodge or mitsubishi fine tuning
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you should be able to find your manifold there... although you said you found the manifold for the 420A for a 16g
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and I have found a manifold for the 420a for a 13g,14b,and 16g
so... why did you ask?

To answer your original quesion I guess.  No.  The 4g63t will not bolt up to the 420A head.  Of course being such an expert you probably know that.  Grin
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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2006, 12:05:27 PM »

sorry it's controlled by heat/airflow signal and vaccum sent to the ecu via sensors.........and thank you, i contacted obx about a mani and they said it'd be around $250....oh and I was curious upon on the fitment of the 4g63 mani to the 420a, i didn't wanna pull off my manifold for the avenger and try to put my first gen eclipse one on there, thanks again for actually answering the question as for ur question I only asked since I didn't do too much research for a manifold other then looking on ebay. and google. thanks again and I love the much hinted sarcasm
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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2006, 02:30:26 PM »

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so thanks for the lesson but no thanks, stick to ur honda's with the fart can mufflers and cai because ur not doing any good with dodge or mitsubishi fine tuning

that's why I don't come to ASOG anymore no newcommers know who I am LOL

ask around WHO IS ALAIN95I4 .....

you would be surprised , probably amazed too

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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2006, 03:11:04 PM »

ok since I have some free time today ...

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sorry it's controlled by heat/airflow signal and vaccum sent to the ecu via sensors

there's no airflow we don't have MAF sensor we have MAP sensor

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and thank you, i contacted obx about a mani and they said it'd be around $250

since when OBX make crappy exhaust manifold for 420a ?

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a big 16g isn't a tiny turbo

16g is a tdo5 housing you want a 13g which is a td04 housing with an excentric exhaust port it's not even matched, even if the flange size is, to a 14b/16g made manifold

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i even found one for a pair sequential 9g's from a 3000gt which can be used on v6

v6 DOCH and SOHC don't have the same bolt pattern
unless you found Sicklife TT old set of manifolds for his now defunct twin turbo v6 project
manifolds that i made btw, just like I made over 30 manifolds for the 420a including of course several 14b/16g manifold
I was the first one to build a manifold with the flange made with an angle so the turbo from a 1g 2g eclipse could fit like a garrett t3 every one else copied my design

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yes our ecu does contain fuel maps and yes you can tune them
no they don't have fuel maps however they do have some "patterns"
Chrysler last generation SBC is formula based and that's why it is so hard to hack a new rom in those suckers
I have several rom dumps from Chrysler no trace of fuel maps
how do I know so much ? well I'm Alain95i4 ....

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well if you put a filter between that is adjustable it gives much leeway to edit and play with
just put a 2 cents resistors bought on Ebay

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stick to ur honda's with the fart can mufflers and cai because ur not doing any good with dodge or mitsubishi fine tuning

I'm still rolling on the floor on this one

here's a very small recap of my life with an Avenger
- I manufactured over 30 manifolds for the 420a engine
- I manufactured 1 set of v6 manifolds for the 6g73 0f Sicklife
- I am the one who found out how to convert a 1996 and up atx into an autostick car
- I am the one who found out about the 100% compatibility of the very nice Ford motosports injectors like the famous red #30 and green #42
- I am the first one to have a small hole drilled in the inner fender to save 1 hour of time trying to remove bolt number 3 of the engine support when doing a timming belt on a 420a equiped Avenger
- I was the first one to do a rewiring of the radiator fans to synchronised them

but that was small potatoes

now here's the big potatoes

About my engine
I'm not running a 420a and I'm not running a v6
My engine was born in a 2001 Dodge Caravan as a 2.4 L
the short block was emptied and fitted with the internals of the 2.4L turbo engine found in the srt-4 and pt cruiser turbo
because I'm Alain95i4 I have good contacts and I even bought those pistons and rods 3 months before the introduction of the Pt Cruiser turbo which, as you should know, came even before the srt-4
the oil pan is custom made and was born as a Startus 2002 pan , it was cut , reshaped and tig welded, made to look like the shape of a 420a pan
the head of a 420a was fitted on top of the block to have the front exhaust we need
so unless you also have a complete custom engine under your hood ... just bow to the Torque Meister

About my transmission
I'm currently running a 2003 Pt cruiser turbo automatic transmission , fitted with the larger Pt cruiser turbo starter, larger Pt cruiser turbo flexplate and larger Pt cruiser turbo torque converter all fitted with a 1995 TCM
since you are "such an expert" on chrysler you must know that 1996 transmission and TCM are incompatible with all the 1995 and before years no more PRNDL switch and range sensor , 1 less relay, 1 connector instead of 2, new computers both for the engine and the transmission
oh it took me a few hours but I did the reverse engineering needed to make it work all the newcommers laughed at me , just like you ..... but hey ... I'm Alain95i4 and now they also bow to the Torque Meister
so unless you have a performance hacked transmission in your car ....

on the shelves still waithing for my vacation times
Megasquirt stand-alone computer fitted with a Ford EDIS-4 ignition system
IHI RHB-6 brand new turbo that will put any 16g to shame
top mount intercooler fitted with an active cooling system controlled by the Megasquirt
humongous injectors
tons of handling equipment like dodge Stealth disk brakes system, bigger swaybars, prothane engine mounts insert

and here's picture since you will probably won't trust me newbie

Alain
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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2006, 03:24:42 PM »



my 2.4 engine



pt cruiser turbo transmission when I bought it



custom made oil pan



the turbo I have on hand, I may go bigger and sell it too



mockup of my equal lenght manifold

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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2006, 04:13:19 PM »

Oh yeah, and what he said too.   Grin
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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2006, 08:07:06 PM »

Nice work with the 2.4L.

Maybe mr newbie will listen now.  Cheesy
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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2006, 09:10:17 PM »

smite him, all mighty Alain Grin
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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2006, 01:09:44 AM »

obx will make a crappy manifold for anything lol..... ok this filter i speak of is contained within the idle air simulator unit, i am sorry about the honda comment but I'm not lookin to make alot of power I just want it to get out of it's own way, it'sslower then turtle excrement lol, and oh when i said that about the 3000gt turbos i was meaning the 9g turbos alone not the mani sorry.....and what i said is i have a 13g, I can get a big 16g no problem, so how much would you charge for a good mani?
ok since I have some free time today ...

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sorry it's controlled by heat/airflow signal and vaccum sent to the ecu via sensors

there's no airflow we don't have MAF sensor we have MAP sensor

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and thank you, i contacted obx about a mani and they said it'd be around $250

since when OBX make crappy exhaust manifold for 420a ?

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a big 16g isn't a tiny turbo

16g is a tdo5 housing you want a 13g which is a td04 housing with an excentric exhaust port it's not even matched, even if the flange size is, to a 14b/16g made manifold

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i even found one for a pair sequential 9g's from a 3000gt which can be used on v6

v6 DOCH and SOHC don't have the same bolt pattern
unless you found Sicklife TT old set of manifolds for his now defunct twin turbo v6 project
manifolds that i made btw, just like I made over 30 manifolds for the 420a including of course several 14b/16g manifold
I was the first one to build a manifold with the flange made with an angle so the turbo from a 1g 2g eclipse could fit like a garrett t3 every one else copied my design

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yes our ecu does contain fuel maps and yes you can tune them
no they don't have fuel maps however they do have some "patterns"
Chrysler last generation SBC is formula based and that's why it is so hard to hack a new rom in those suckers
I have several rom dumps from Chrysler no trace of fuel maps
how do I know so much ? well I'm Alain95i4 ....

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well if you put a filter between that is adjustable it gives much leeway to edit and play with
just put a 2 cents resistors bought on Ebay

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stick to ur honda's with the fart can mufflers and cai because ur not doing any good with dodge or mitsubishi fine tuning

I'm still rolling on the floor on this one

here's a very small recap of my life with an Avenger
- I manufactured over 30 manifolds for the 420a engine
- I manufactured 1 set of v6 manifolds for the 6g73 0f Sicklife
- I am the one who found out how to convert a 1996 and up atx into an autostick car
- I am the one who found out about the 100% compatibility of the very nice Ford motosports injectors like the famous red #30 and green #42
- I am the first one to have a small hole drilled in the inner fender to save 1 hour of time trying to remove bolt number 3 of the engine support when doing a timming belt on a 420a equiped Avenger
- I was the first one to do a rewiring of the radiator fans to synchronised them

but that was small potatoes

now here's the big potatoes

About my engine
I'm not running a 420a and I'm not running a v6
My engine was born in a 2001 Dodge Caravan as a 2.4 L
the short block was emptied and fitted with the internals of the 2.4L turbo engine found in the srt-4 and pt cruiser turbo
because I'm Alain95i4 I have good contacts and I even bought those pistons and rods 3 months before the introduction of the Pt Cruiser turbo which, as you should know, came even before the srt-4
the oil pan is custom made and was born as a Startus 2002 pan , it was cut , reshaped and tig welded, made to look like the shape of a 420a pan
the head of a 420a was fitted on top of the block to have the front exhaust we need
so unless you also have a complete custom engine under your hood ... just bow to the Torque Meister

About my transmission
I'm currently running a 2003 Pt cruiser turbo automatic transmission , fitted with the larger Pt cruiser turbo starter, larger Pt cruiser turbo flexplate and larger Pt cruiser turbo torque converter all fitted with a 1995 TCM
since you are "such an expert" on chrysler you must know that 1996 transmission and TCM are incompatible with all the 1995 and before years no more PRNDL switch and range sensor , 1 less relay, 1 connector instead of 2, new computers both for the engine and the transmission
oh it took me a few hours but I did the reverse engineering needed to make it work all the newcommers laughed at me , just like you ..... but hey ... I'm Alain95i4 and now they also bow to the Torque Meister
so unless you have a performance hacked transmission in your car ....

on the shelves still waithing for my vacation times
Megasquirt stand-alone computer fitted with a Ford EDIS-4 ignition system
IHI RHB-6 brand new turbo that will put any 16g to shame
top mount intercooler fitted with an active cooling system controlled by the Megasquirt
humongous injectors
tons of handling equipment like dodge Stealth disk brakes system, bigger swaybars, prothane engine mounts insert

and here's picture since you will probably won't trust me newbie

Alain
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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2006, 02:43:00 AM »

Just goes to show...."look where you step".

It only take you stepping on one of our esteemed to be ignored for quite some time.
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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2006, 02:46:06 AM »

Will the PT tranny mount up to the 2.0?  I know you said you've got the 2.4

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Re: turbo manifold
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2006, 03:01:17 AM »

Will the PT tranny mount up to the 2.0?  I know you said you've got the 2.4



as fitting goes the tranny is 100% bolt on because it's another version of the basic a604/41te
but that one is made to stand lots of abuse straight from the factory
to benefit from the package you also need the ticker flexplate and larger torque converter
to use the flexplate you also need to use the 2.4 turbo starter because the gears on the flexplate don't have
the same pitch as the regular flexplate
wirring is another story however that tranny has the new 1999 and up connector

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so how much would you charge for a good mani?

I'm out of the manifold business for more than a year now
they were selling for $350 and up

Alain
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