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Starting problems with my car
« on: May 26, 2006, 10:42:03 PM »

Having the problem of my car not starting up. The car will turn over strong and I have a new battery for it. My guess is that my timing is off a little. My fuel pump is working good also. Do anyone have any more ideas with what could be the problem.
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Re: Starting problems with my car
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2006, 12:19:22 AM »

Check to make sure fuel is getting into the cylinders, just because the pump is humming doesn't mean it's making it into the cylinders.  Timing being off a little will still start, but it'll sound like crap.  Timing being off more than a little will keep it from starting, and if it's too much you'll destroy your heads.  Did you do anything to the car recently?  When it stopped starting what happened before that, did it die on you while you were driving?
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Re: Starting problems with my car
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2006, 04:07:17 AM »

yeah, tel us about the situation prior to the car not starting, that would help out a lot.
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2006, 10:02:54 PM »

i too am having the same issue with my 99 V6 sport avenger.  the car eventually starts but i haven't a clue what the problem could be. ive talked to several mechanics who tell me a number of different issues that it might be ranging from a fuel pump (which you can hear engage when the key is put to the acc position), to an electrical issue.  i havent touched my car since the problem started about a week ago.  i tried to start it and it wouldnt turn over, just crank. after about 5-7 minutes of waiting i would try again and the car would start.  sometimes when i leave for work in the morning i will check to see if it would turn over and it does some days, and it turns over strong. any ideas as to what my problem might be? also a few months back my check engine light came on for less than 5 minutes and then went away. i took it to autozone but they told me they couldnt check for a code unless the check engine light was still on. im really getting frustrated with my car and wish that this problem wouldnt persist. if anyone has had this problem or knows what i could do that wouldnt be ineffective, or something i can check that might be something im missing it would be greatly appreciated.  your beloved avenger noob! thanks!   Huh
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Re: Starting problems with my car
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2006, 10:05:53 PM »

You should try the same thing that we're telling Darin to try.  It's a matter of eliminating possibly things.  Check for fuel up on the fuel rail, if you have fuel there, check for spark, if you have spark and it turns then it should start, unless your PCM is junk.......
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2006, 11:06:10 PM »

im not really majorly inclined to screw with things ive never worked on...my car is just show purpose only.  my friend is more inclined with older cars, not with fuel injection kind of stuff. how do you suggest i check for fuel on the fuel rail if i were to do it myself? also any suggestions i could tell my friend?  he says i have spark i know that because he checked my plugs, he said i should get a tune-up for sure after the problem is resolved. i will check those suggestions asap and get back to you with my findings, i really do appreciate any help you guys have to offer as my local dodge dealership wants to rape me for a diagonostic check which in my mind would be too expensive and not worth it just to tell me whats wrong. thanks again. Undecided
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2006, 11:11:20 PM »

p.s. my car has 74,125 miles on it and ive done frequent maintenence to it to keep it running well, i changed the terminals on my battery and just installed a new battery to aid that as my one terminal had some minor corrosion starting. i also read up on another dodge avenger forum that there is a little set of three relays on the driver's side firewall that may cause unusual starting problems, but i dont believe it...any suggestions?  my uncle thinks its an electrical problem but seems unsure with the ''new' stuff cars have these days'...im really kind of confused and that is why i turned to you guys for help...i really hope i can resolve this issue soon...you know what its like to have car issues, your car is part of your pride. bleh. anyways just thought id let you know some history of my car
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Re: Starting problems with my car
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2006, 01:16:07 AM »

like darktengu said check the fuel pressure.
personally i wouldn't take my car to the dealer unless i absolutely had to, as in recall work.
the relays are probably the cheapest option to begin with. you can buy a new one for a few dollars and swap it around with the two that are closest to the center of the car. very simple to do and those are critical for ignition and fuel pressure. they can also work sporadically like you described.
crank position sensor is another common problem. engine will not fire without a crank sensor signal. neither the relays or crank sensor will give you a cel.


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Re: Starting problems with my car
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2006, 02:23:21 AM »

Those seem to be two different issues, once car gets electrical signals but the other one doesnt. Make sure to check for low coolant, thats easiest I believe. I had that problem, it got fixed when I added coolant and had a tune-up. If that's fine then go on to the other stuff where you have to start spending some cash. fuel relays/pumps and that should be all. over all though, just make sure all your fluids are good. anyone of these can also cause such a problem. They might seem simple, but sometimes that's the cause. good luck.
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Re: Starting problems with my car
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2006, 02:34:37 AM »

they are very likely to be different issues. that doesn't rule out electrical problems on either one.
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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2006, 04:50:48 AM »

well i looked around the net more and like you said...check the relays, so tommorow im gonna swap out the asd relay first and see what happens. im also up for a tune up in about another 1000 or so miles so i think i will take care of the plugs, cap, rotor, and wires and see if that adds to it as well as an oil change. keeping my fingers crossed as this is my only mode of transportation at the moment and i need it to run without any stress of guessing if it will start or not after i go to work which is 40 miles away from my home each day. crazy...i never thought i would run into such a weird issue with this car. i used to own a 89 ford probe gt and the only problem i ever had with that was a ball joint and a fuel pump...maybe thats why im so confused by all this electrical stuff. who knows, ill let you know my results once again after i take it over to my friends for another diagnosis...i also have oil around the top of the wires when i pull them out of the plug cavity...there is no oil in the cavity, but just on the top of the wires that i guess you could say 'pops' into the cavity. bleh...friggin cars...at least its not completley foreign...i might be screwed at that point. p.s. i hate living in an area of the states that sees snow during the winter aka buffalo, ny. but anyways thanks again for all your help thus far...its much appreciated to know there is other people out there that care enough to help others out in times of need!  Wink
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Re: Starting problems with my car
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2006, 09:26:17 AM »

Hey I had the probe turbo too!  What a fun car, horrible name, but quick and cheap.

Anyway to test for fuel on the rail, I'm going to guess since I haven't messed with the six.  But most other sixes have a little nozzle like you'd find on a tire to fill air.  take a screw driver, and have a rag ready.  Press down on the nozzle.  If fuel shoots up, go and prime your fuel pump and do it again.  If it works both times, then your fuel pressure is fine, if not then you have to check where it's losing it.  If the pump will pressurize it, let it sit overnight and go check again.  If it lost pressure, then you have a small leak somewhere.
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Re: Starting problems with my car
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2006, 09:25:26 PM »

well i did some more research and found that it might be a relay or a sensor. i have fuel pressure, but someone at the dealer told me finally that it might be the asd relay...i dont know where this is located. any help? i think it has something to do with the three little relays mounted on the driver side firewall. any suggestions?  Undecided
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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2006, 09:26:35 PM »

p.s. the probe was an amazingly fun car with great boost for a stock turbo, did some minor mods to help out and i loved that car. if only it wasnt so hard to find one with low mileage i might own one again some day. never had any real trouble with that car...i miss it!
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Re: Starting problems with my car
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2006, 12:36:58 AM »

I had two different ones, the black one was modded pretty well.  I'm not sure what was all done to it, because it was before I really got into cars, but I beat pretty much everything I raced, TSI, GTO, Mustangs.  It was great.  But then I blew a four inch hole in the tranny.  Clutch shattered and destroyed the transmission.  And because I loved that one, I picked up a red one.  It was all stock.  I started learning about cars on that one.  It was all stock.  I went back to my black one, and someone had picked it up and turned it into a project car. 

I really wish I would've just gotten a new tranny instead.
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