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1  General Category / General Discussion / Italian Pride Is Revived in a Tiny Fiat on: August 11, 2007, 01:59:57 PM
Italian Pride Is Revived in a Tiny Fiat
David Yoder for The New York Times



By JOHN TAGLIABUE
Published: August 11, 2007

TURIN, Italy, July 26 — When Luca De Meo, 40, became chief executive of the Italian carmaker Fiat Automobiles five years ago, one of his relatives — he forgets whether it was his aunt or his mother — told him, “Luca, you’ve got to bring back the 500,” or the Cinquecento, the chubby little car that symbolized Italy’s postwar economic miracle.And now, following in the tire tracks of the latter-day Beetle from Volkswagen and the Mini Cooper from BMW, Fiat this month began selling an updated version of the classic 500 of 1957. At 11 feet 6 inches in length, it is about 4 inches shorter than the Ka, Ford’s tiny runabout, but 18 inches longer than the original 500.

More than a year before the car arrived, Fiat started marketing it as a return to everybody’s childhood. In Italy, advertisements appealed to patriotism, with slogans like, “The new Fiat belongs to all of us.” Fiat offers extras on the car like a side stripe in the colors of the Italian flag — red, white and green — and little Italian flags stitched into the upholstery.

In France, where the original 500 was lovingly known as the “pot de yaourt,” or pot of yogurt, for its soft shape, the ads read, “The new Fiat is your history too.”

In less than a month, Fiat has sold more than 57,000 of the cars.

The intrigue surrounding the 500 comes as carmakers in Europe are taking a new look at small autos. European cars have grown over the years, along with European pocketbooks, but with cities getting more congested and gasoline prices at $5 a gallon or higher, carmakers have been anticipating renewed interest in small cars.

Now the market is being flooded with such cars. BMW introduced an update of the Mini late last year, and Renault replaced its little Twingo in June. Daimler is preparing to send its tiny two-seater, the Smart, to North America, and most of the Japanese carmakers have what the Europeans call “city cars” as well.

All these new and retro models are hitting the market just as European car sales have flattened, creating a buyer’s market and forcing carmakers to devise ways to attract customers.

Many carmakers see retro models as the answer, because they are instantly recognizable and stir up nostalgia.

To some, like Marco Zurru, an auto industry consultant with Roland Berger, marketing a car like the 500 for its style is something of a paradox, because the original 500s were stylish by accident.

“Don’t forget, the original 500 sold four million cars,” Mr. Berger said.

At the same time, the new 500 is economical, borrowing a variety of components — including the platform, the engine, the transmission, the rear suspension, and most of the electrical and electronic equipment — from Fiat’s Panda, another compact car that is assembled with the 500 at Fiat’s big new plant in Tychy, Poland. Factory workers there make about $1,200 a month.

Indeed, some have called the car a Panda in the skin of a 500. (As an extra, you can even buy a car cover printed to look like the old 500 of 1957.)

Bringing costs down further, Fiat is sharing the 500’s platform with Ford, which will shift assembly of its new Ka next year to the plant in Poland, from Valencia in Spain.

If the 500 is built differently, it is sold differently as well. Five hundred days before its introduction, Fiat asked potential buyers to enter a competition over the Web to design accessories for the car, and about 8,000 people did so. (The prize? Free accessories with the purchase of a 500.) Among the most popular of those customer-designed extras, at least in Italy, are a clear sunroof and the Italian colors as decoration.

The car has about 100 options, including hand-stitched leather steering wheel covers from the furniture maker Poltrona Frau, 11 colors, and 7 interior trims. Prices start at 10,500 euros, or about $14,400, and can easily run up to 14,000 euros.

Fiat says the 500 is safe, too, despite its diminutive size. It comes with seven air bags, helping to earn it five stars, the highest rating possible, in the standardized European frontal collision test.

“Like the Mini, you buy it because it’s interesting, beautiful things for the beautiful,” said Martino Boffa, the managing director in Milan of the marketing consultants Icon Added Value. He added, “It’s not functional; it’s a luxury item; it’s a toy.”

Mr. De Meo, who was a sales executive at Toyota and Renault before joining Fiat, compares the 500 to the Bic pen. “In the 1950s there was one Bic, and it was black,” he said. “Now there are 50 varieties.”

Luca Trazzi, whose design firm, designboom.com, organized the accessories competition, with a jury that included the fashion designer Giorgio Armani and Jasper Morrison, the industrial designer, said the 500 and the Mini were both “translations of old styles.”

The appearance of the new 500, he said, has stoked demand for old ones, which were discontinued in 1974. “People are paying double what you pay for a new 500, for any kind of 500, even 500s from the 1970s,” he said.

Of course, the new 500 has its critics in Europe. Reviewing the 500 for Le Monde, the French newspaper, Jean-Michel Normand asked whether “the neo-retro inspiration is the only path forward in producing original and desirable small cars.” He added, playfully, “So what is Citroen waiting for to give us a new 2CV?,” referring to the classic 2-horsepower runabout.

To be sure, the 500 is a classic in North America. There are 500 clubs across the United States and Canada, as well as Web sites and blogs devoted to it. When the Pixar unit of Walt Disney released the animated film “Cars” last year, it featured a yellow 500 named Luigi, who spoke accented English and changed tires during pit stops.

Yet Mr. De Meo says he has no plans to sell the 500 in the United States, lacking a distribution network, even though his boss, Sergio Marchionne, 55, a native Italian who grew up and was educated in Canada, has said he wants Fiat to re-enter North America in 2009 with the Alfa Romeo brand.

Mr. De Meo says the 500 “will not be global in the strict sense, but will be for mature, sophisticated markets.” He added: “A product becomes global because its image is global.”

For all its global ambitions, Fiat has cast the introduction of the new 500 as a very Italian event. Daniele Cuniberto, the sales manager at Torino Auto, a dealership a short walk from the Fiat headquarters, said that stripes on the side in the Italian colors were the second most popular extra, exceeded only by the clear glass roof.

For Mr. Boffa of Icon Added Value, Fiat has made the 500 “a national event, saying, ‘We’re Italian, we have saved Italy.’ ” The marketing in Italy, he went on, “arouses national sentiments.”

“There’s a moralizing, chauvinistic aspect. If you’re Italian, you have to buy a Fiat.”

Indeed, roughly one-third of all cars bought in Italy are Fiats. A local economic research firm, the Centro Einaudi, recently calculated that the Fiat Group, with its myriad businesses including farm and construction equipment, accounted for as much as 30 percent of Italy’s economic growth.

But will this work outside Italy? Mr. Zurru of Roland Berger thinks so. “At least in Europe,” he said, “the 500 is linked to a cinematographic experience, a model rich in symbolism.”

“You know,” he said, “La Dolce Vita.”



 The original Fiat 500, or Cinquecento, left, next to the revamped 500 introduced in July. In Italy, Fiat’s advertisements for the car appeal to patriotism.
2  General Category / General Discussion / Re: My ball joints are completely shot on: August 01, 2007, 05:33:48 PM
don't know. doesn't hurt to ask though.
3  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Wow has this place grown! on: August 01, 2007, 05:33:21 PM
oh man I remember that. welcome back! Smiley

What happened to the car?
4  General Category / General Discussion / Re: im back on: August 01, 2007, 05:30:13 PM
congrats man. Hey you were in NY and didn't say hi Sad

How'd you extract him from Haiti?
5  General Category / General Discussion / Re: LEET on: August 01, 2007, 05:24:05 PM
did you have 1337 posts?
6  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Mr. T's pity mathematical equation on: August 01, 2007, 05:22:38 PM
hey I didn't make it up, I found it on the internet!

but I am single (l before e) Sad
7  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Would this be cool? on: August 01, 2007, 05:16:42 PM
good only if you don't want the rear seats to fold, unless you can somehow get that large part seperated?

I like my rear seats as is. plus, with the speakers, may be another thing someone wants to steal Sad
8  General Category / General Discussion / Re: My ball joints are completely shot on: August 01, 2007, 05:15:26 PM
you may have to go through chrysler corporate. It's a massive pain, but CC is actually really nice (well, the lady I spoke with). The dealer on the other hand, really didn't want to do it.
9  General Category / General Discussion / Re: I need to take care of the dirty. on: August 01, 2007, 05:07:22 PM
have Mr. T. pity the grease. It'll come right off.
10  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Good old Soviet Union....Ooopps, I mean Russia on: July 24, 2007, 04:10:43 AM
All good questions, and ones that people ask themselves, or at least should, everyday.

I for one think that when there is genocide such as Darfur, it is the duty of all humans to step up and say NO.

Now who are we as Americans to say that our way of government and laws are better than those of say, CUba, or Venezuela? That's a good question. I feel that what we should be saying is "Hey, we are not perfect, but we are not arresting newspaper columnists for saying our president is making wrong decisions. We are not assasinating people who disagree with our government or who are pointing out flaws"

No one is perfect, and no country can truely have the notion of All people are free, that would just lead to anarchy. Laws do exist, they must, and while our {current} law saying that women can abort is not one that you {citizen of country X,} agree with, the principle behind it, that women are equal with men, needs to be a world wide given.

Sure, that's putting a "western" spin on it, but just becuase one group of people do something doesn't mean that it ultimately is the correct thing. Just because one group of people puts another group behind bars with no legal counsel despite the laws of their country stating they should have it, does not make that first group correct in their actions.
11  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Tell me what you think.... on: July 24, 2007, 04:03:25 AM
oh yeah, now get black fog/mirror buttons instead of the grey
12  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Tell me what you think.... on: July 24, 2007, 04:02:45 AM
you missed some spots....


shall I assume you wanted a fade?
13  General Category / General Discussion / Mr. T's pity mathematical equation on: July 23, 2007, 09:35:28 PM
 Grin

The Mathematical Proof of Mr. T's Pity: For life to
exist there must be a symmetrical equation regarding
the factors of pity (p) and fools (f) -> p-f=0 If any
one factor rose to a level higher than the other, life
as we know it would cease to exist. The fool factor
(f) can be decisively measured by dividing jibba-jabba
(j) by tolerance for said jibba jabba (t) -> f=j/t.
With these two equations we can deduce:
p-f=0;
f=j/t;
p-(j/t)=0; 
p=j/t.
Or more simply, since p=f, and f=j/t, we can
substitute p with f for p=j/t.
This equation leads to quite an interesting result. As
we can see, if we can hold jibba-jabba constant, as
tolerance for said jibba-jabba approaches 0, pity
approaches infinty. Now we all know that Mr. T "aint
got no time for jibba-jabba". In fact, extensive
observational studies have been conducted and even
with machines able to calculate with precision to the
23rd decimal place, Mr. T's tolerance for jibba-jabba
has been conclusively found to be 0, and therefore Mr
T.s pity is the literal embodiment of the concept of infinty.
14  General Category / General Discussion / Re: Good old Soviet Union....Ooopps, I mean Russia on: July 23, 2007, 09:30:09 PM
So regard this as a rant or not, but what the fornicate is going on with Russia these days?

Putin is turning slowly into another Baltic state dictator. The Kremlin and the FSB (KGB) are cracking down on truth, justice, and freedoms. The Russian press is being locked down, they are booting out the British Embassy because the British government is actually trying to investigate and charge people in the murder of the Russian defector (whom the Ruskies would call a traitor). The recent killing (read state sponsored murder) of Anna Politkovskaya who was investigating into Chenya. Since 2000 (When Putin was elected), 13 journalists were killed, and amazingly, not one murder has been close to being solved.

Not a bad word from this government though. Even though he has publicly bad mouthed our efforts to fight terrorism. What the fornicate, really?

So do you believe in world policing then? 

in a way, yes. Monitor the freedoms that countries are losing, and use a mixture of diplomacy and speaking directly to the populace to get those freedoms back.

And I DO believe the same should happen to us. For example, I for one feel we LOSE freedoms when the governmental agencies feel that they can wiretap, get records, and do other looking into our private lives with no warrant.

For example, Bush's policy of giving the middle finger to the secret court and the federal agencies saying "cool man" breached our freedoms. It would be a positive thing for other countries to use their diplomatic relations with us to say "hey, we are noticing that your citizens are having their rights to privacy eroded" and to set out things like ads and talks about this.

We are lucky that so far our press is free to talk about these things, to question and criticise decisions the gov't makes and wars it undertakes.

This is not to sound like bush is telling the feds to arrest and detain reporters, he isn't. It would take a lot to really become like Russia, but it CAN happen. All you need are people who will do whatever they are told to do by superiors who are intent on staying in power. It's good to have checks on power.
15  General Category / General Discussion / Re: LEET on: July 23, 2007, 09:22:59 PM
means the CIA and NSA and FEMA are watching you.
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