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Just about to start a 6g72/5-speed swap with a pretty good idea of how to tackle this project, except for one thing... does anyone know if any stock axles can be used with the eclipse 5-speed tranny (or custom axles). I know there has to be length and spline issues there but i'm not sure if anyone has this figured out yet. Any input would be helpful before i try to figure this out myself. Thanks

it has been tried before and it failed

the eclipse 5 speed will not clear the avenger frame you will need intensive frame work to make it fit
you will need to make your own engine mount
you will need custom axles

and the most important part is: what magic trick will you use to make your engine run without a crank sensor ?


Alain

ok. custom axles

we'll see with the crank sensor, i have a friend who's done similar "tricks" and ive got a few ideas but i'll keep you updated with how it goes

As far as the crank sensor goes, talk to Sroufe7. Or contact DisturbingMotorsports.com. Either way, you're NOT getting around the sensor.

Trust alain in this. if he says you must first push your car off a cliff before it can be modded, he's right. that was just an example of how much you can trust him though. don't really push your car off a cliff.

axles should be your last worries
having a car with a running engine should be your first one

do you at least know why I'm asking about the crank sensor ?


he could talk to DM but unless they changed their mind very recently on that subject he will not like the answer


too bad they won't do it  ;D I know a few cars and owners that ... ah nevermind it won't happen anyway  :'(

Alain

yeah i know that the avenger v6 crank sensor gets its signal from the driveplate in the trans and the eclipse runs off the engine flywheel but i figured since these engines have the same stroke i could duplicate the signal that the 6g73 makes using a plate mounted to the crank pulley with the same notches in it that denote cyl #1 TDC and so on, and relocate the crank sensor outside the trans using a bracket, the ecu would never know the difference and the engine would truly be turned the way it should be

i'm gonna be working on it all this month if i have any problems i'll probably be right back here, or i'll give disturbing motorsports a call like you suggested...i called them once before when i ordered mounts and they were very friendly and helpful

lol. sweet. someone who has done a bit of homework before they asked about it. thank you. more than you know.

The V6's get the signal from the FLEXPLATE.  The Eclipse gets it's signal from the cogged crankshaft timing belt pulley.  And they are totally different signals.

And sorry, but we will not be selling the trigger wheel outside our shop.  So there is no point in asking.

it shouldnt matter which signal the 3.0 used to put out as long as the avenger ecu gets the one its looking for, and also that its actually where the pistons are of course

well the only way to find out is to try so...

What you said there makes no sense.

You can not use the 3.0 crank sensor and the stock 3.0 wheel to get the stock 2.5 signal.

I have no idea what you are saying or what you are going to try.

i wont be using the ckp sensor from the 3.0, ill be using the one from the 2.5 along with a plate with the same pattern as the flexplate. The ecu should not be able to tell that the 2.5 has even been replaced

Are you getting one made?  Already have one made?  Who is doing the work?

one of my buddies does metal work and his father has the equipment

i think its very selfish of distubing motorsports to not sell the crank trigger wheel besides with their own swap. i mean u guys could sell it expensive so u could make good $$ off it just the part so people like me who are mechanics could do the swap themselves in their garage and just pay a good amount for the crank trigger. but thats ok u want people to drive all the way to your shop and pay way too much for the swap when some people could do it themselves. i can understand u guys wanting to make a lot of $$ but i bet u will be kickin yourself  because u could make just as much if not more by selling the crank trigger kits. Just a thought i know u guys are a great company who does great work i just dont understand why u cant make bank on the crank trigger kits by selling them for and expensive price  ???

Why would you assume it has anything to do with making money? Much less ALOT of money? Prices haven't even been set yet, and if you would look into the things we DO have pricing on (3.0 swaps/turbo setups) you would see that we barely make any money at all in the broad scheme of things.

The sensor has to be mounted at EXACTLY the right place, or the trigger wheel won't work. There are still alot of kinks to be worked out - and quite frankly, since we have the R&D into it - we can do what we want with it... including shelving the project completely and not selling it at all, if we so chose.

"Selfish"? no. Prepared to cover my own ass by guaranteeing the install is done CORRECTLY, yes....


Sorry you don't understand that... and sorry you don't understand that not everyone is out to make a "ton of money"

How is the average person going to do the swap in there garage?

No one know what is needed for transmission mounts.  Which leaves only 1 stock engine mount.  So this leaves 3 custom made mounts.

No one knows what is going to be needed for shifter linkage.

No one knows what is going to be needed for a clutch petal and clutch cable.

No one knows what is going to be needed to make the speedo work.

I think it would be half ass of us to just toss the trigger wheel out on the market and let people beat there heads against the wall once they get it.

you guys are right its good that u want it to be done correctly and all. i just think it would be cool if you guys once you complete a sucessful swap and know it works right if u could make a swap kit you know with the custom mounts, and everything needed to do the swap once you guys figure it out i know i would buy one.

Once everything is where they need it to be, more than likely they will.
BUT ONLY IF:

• It meets their quality standards
• It passes strenuous testing
• They feel confident that it won't cause any problems that would even REMOTELY come close to harming you

Now I don't claim to be a spokesman for DMS, and frankly, Sroufe and Mylf would probably jack slap me if I tried, but from a consumer stand point, I'd simply sit back, wait, and just keep an ear to the train tracks for the murmurs of when and IF they decide it's safe to market.

I'd rather have a project blacklisted due to hazards than greenlighted b/c of internet pressure.

Plus, I'd have been more than willing to drive my 99 ES up there for the swap to have it done right.
Without any other knowledge, would you rather have someone who has an advanced medical degreee perform open heart surgery on you or a pediatrician?  ;)

jack morrison...

dont fret, in 6 weeks i will have 3 months off. i will figure something out... :)


CMC