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im looking to make my 2.0 faster than it is. im currently making a custom CAI. the timing belt is gonna get replaced, when its in the shop for that, i might think about a cam kit. what else can i do for more power? my cars a 95 avenger 2.0 5 speed.

Turbo

Upgrade Camshafts
Upgrade Exhaust
Upgrade Headers
Upgrade Pistons

There's a lot you can do.  Are you just looking at going as fast as possible, or are you looking to hit 200HP.  What's the over all goal and budget?

i just wanna make some more power out of it. 200 is my goal but if theres more i can do without droping the block out from the car then im listening. liike simple bolt ons and stuff. i might consider a turbo but i dont wanrt the hassle of putting one on. a cam kit would be nice, but before i do all this iot really needs a new timing belt. what kinda power can i expect out of a cam kit and other stuff?

There's not really any combo of bolt-ons that are going to get you up to the 200 mark.  If you can, pull the head off the car when you're going to change the timing belt.  Take it to a machine shop and have them open it up.  Porting a head is going to allow you to see the biggest gains, aside from a turbo.

A high-flow intake manifold coupled with a larger throttle body is next, but you need to get the exhaust out of the engine, so now you're looking at upgrading the headers and exhaust piping.

For a quick "easy" gain, you can build a bolt-on turbo kit for about a grand.  You can get everything you need and put it on yourself.  Run 5-8 pounds of boost without building the motor.  That will put you up about 30-50 extra horse depending how much boost you run.

You best investment is going to be to port out the head.  You can add the turbo later.

Just make sure you get the word up front that if anything breaks on the parts of the engine that the mechanic was working on, THEY will be fixing it and THEY will be apologizing to you.

i guess ill start with porting the heads. im not changing the timing belt someone else is. can i advance the timing on it for more power? my frined has a ford escort and her timing belt was just replaced. out of the blue her gas milage was cut in half and the car has more power than it should. i mean like tire buring power. it was kinda weird then we all guessed it was the timing might have been advanced. whats the easiest way to do that? unlike my other car i dont think i can just turn the distributor. or can i?

o you know what? i just forgot that my pops has a turbo from a old 4 cyl mustang and intercooler in our basement. so i do have a turbo now all i need is the exhaust manifold and pipeing right?

i'll let nykon and DT comment on that one. although i will throw this in, you need a manifold that will accept the turbo. identical snowflakes and all, savvy?

DON'T advance your timing.  Leave it alone.

As for the turbo, it will work, but you'll need to get a custom made exhaust manifold.  OR you can get the log style you'll find all over eBay (Don't buy any of them, you need to make sure it's a legit one.) and get an adapter.

I'm not sure which turbo came on those 2.3 Mustangs though.  You'll have to take some measurements.

yupe you are all done just bolt that thing on your eclipse engine


humm good question ....

I will let an expert answer that one

Alain

Alain, I thought you were going to be nice!

oh and Austin I forgot you have the I4.  The 420a (your motor) doesn't have a distributor, it's a coil pack.  You can mess with the timing, with adjustable camgears.  Again don't.

I am nice
you should see me with a n00bs on a bad day

Alain

could i buuy a exhaust maniflod to fit that turbo from a certain site or would i need to make a custom one. if it has to made then ill skip the turbo.
 

Why skip it?  And I'm not sure what turbo it was that came on the 2.3 get back to me with it.  You'll need to take some measurements, and see if it'll bolt on to a standard t3/t4 flange.  (I'm guessing it won't.)

How did I miss this thread?

Umm you can make anything work with enough time and money, ie, turbo from mustang etc.

If you have to ask all the questions you are asking you really aren't ready to work on this car.  Alain was being nice.  I suggest you go to
www.2gnt.com and read up.  Don't post anything, you will regret it, just use the search feature and read.

Turbo is the best way to get any kind of gains without spending a fortune and N/A many have tried and many have failed.  I need to get ahold of Zilla from the old days and find out what happened with his.  I know he finished it but other than that I don't know but he dumped a whole buttload of money into his and went N/A.

Keep in mind that bolting up a turbo is not just as easy as bolting up a turbo.  Do some reading, get a book called Maximum Boost by Corky Bell and read up, its a good start.

Good luck, have fun.

the ford 2.3L turbos came in several versions and manufacturers

they could make some of the easiest turbo to fit on a log manifold and pull decent power
OR
the worst ones you could try to fit and be way underpowered in the end

it's all in the years and model of the cars

Alain

Yes it is, see

(http://wistreetscene.com/i/dj/02930688af5piston%20and%20rods.jpg)

Oh wait, never mind, that's from a guy that blew his engine up, because he didn't do right.......

oooooh pretty shrapnel.

hey look, it's the turbo version of 52 card pickup! But yeah, when you go over to 2gnt, do be sure you read...ALOT... you will get sleepy from searching and reading. just make sure you stay the course. the more you learn now in this R&D stage of your project, the less you will have to learn later through costs of repair.

For some odd reason, it always makes sense WHY you shouldn't have done something when it involves a penalizing cost of money coming out of your pocket after it happens.

The 2.3 Ford EFI Turbo engine used Garrett T3's, very similar to the Chrysler turbos except Ford used the standard T3 flange. They're good to about 15-18 psi stock I think. I know using a compressor off an 87-88 T-bird Turbo Coupe is an upgrade for a Chrysler T3.

And to the OP, cam kits for these engines are 500-800 bucks new, so I hope you have deep pockets :)

the latest version of the t-bird turbo used a small IHI RHB-52 turbo
earlier version used either a nice t3 with a 0.63 of A/R or a smaller 0.48
most mustang used the 0.63
mustang turbo with carburetor used a very bad air research turbo

Alain

Well that helps a bunch, now you just need figure out which one of the Turbos Alain listed is the one you have sitting around.  Look for some badging.