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Title: camshats?
Post by: jeremiah on January 07, 2008, 11:13:50 PM
2.5l veng is it possible to install a camshaft?


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: Matt on January 07, 2008, 11:49:29 PM
you should reword the question. maybe list what you are planning to do.


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: Jim on January 08, 2008, 12:45:56 AM
2.5l veng is it possible to install a camshaft?

Yeah, you wouldnt think so, being a 4 cycle internal combustion engine and all...


Lol cmon im just messing around...


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: jeremiah on January 08, 2008, 02:21:31 AM
i wanna put a mild camshaft in my 2.5l v6. along with some other goodies but mainly worried about cam right now


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: JusBringIt on January 08, 2008, 03:20:36 AM
what they mean is, ur car already has a cam, BUT, it's kinda pointless trying to give u info when we dont know what's going on, for different results, u can go in different directions, and some mod's require additional mods...so...when u say MILD, could u expand a bit? are u talking about a profile that has less of an overlap with the intake/exhaust?....where exactly are you going with this?


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: Sroufe7 on January 08, 2008, 07:48:23 AM
If you want a pair of stage 1 cam shafts, I can get them for you.

I won't have pricing pry until the end of the week or so.


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: jeremiah on January 08, 2008, 12:56:54 PM
1.ok, is the motor an interferance motor?
2. possibly twin turbo down the road, but not right now.
3. a cam that will make the car respond quicker and give it quicker revs
4. something that will give me more HP while still being easy on the streets and gas.
5 something in between stock and O MY GOD THAT CAR IS SICK!
if you need or have any questions for me ... let me know ill try to answer a little bit better.


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: Antony on January 08, 2008, 12:58:45 PM
Lol the young hopefuls


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: Sroufe7 on January 08, 2008, 03:24:57 PM
1.ok, is the motor an interferance motor?
2. possibly twin turbo down the road, but not right now.
3. a cam that will make the car respond quicker and give it quicker revs
4. something that will give me more HP while still being easy on the streets and gas.
5 something in between stock and O MY GOD THAT CAR IS SICK!
if you need or have any questions for me ... let me know ill try to answer a little bit better.

yes
sure
yep
yep
sure



Title: Re: camshafts?
Post by: Aaron on January 08, 2008, 10:03:11 PM
you can get cams for the V6? hmmm i may be interested.


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: Sroufe7 on January 08, 2008, 10:07:10 PM
yes...

stage 1
stage 2
stage 3
stage 4

stage 2 and up need new valve springs and adjustable cam gears

stage 1 or 2 would be your best bet for a nearly stock car.

They are not cheap starting out at about $850.


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: Aaron on January 09, 2008, 12:20:56 AM
well ill stick with stage 2 but im gonna need time to get the money, When and if i do ill PM you, still not sure if im keeping the car but if i do well i want cams


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: JusBringIt on January 09, 2008, 05:56:32 PM
850 for a camshaft...y dont u guys just do a swap w/ headers?      ??? and if u are planning on going turbo later, just the swap, then ask scott about his setup? i mean if u really just wanna play with the 2.5 thats fine but....u kno..just a suggestion.


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: Sroufe7 on January 09, 2008, 05:59:33 PM
no...that is for two camshafts  ;)

Cams will gain more hp than headers will, but both together would be the best bang.

And I don't have a turbo  :P


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: Antony on January 09, 2008, 07:33:01 PM
Do they make cams for the 3.0?


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: Sroufe7 on January 09, 2008, 07:49:08 PM
they are the same thing as the 2.5 cames.


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: JusBringIt on January 12, 2008, 07:01:04 AM
no...that is for two camshafts  ;)

Cams will gain more hp than headers will, but both together would be the best bang.

And I don't have a turbo  :P
well..since the cam for the 2.5 fit the 3.0, y not get the 3.0 first? then the cams...save a lot of work..and get as much as you can...


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: Antony on January 13, 2008, 11:32:48 PM
My car now gets so bad gas mileage if I put a cam in i dont think i could afford to pay for gas... lol of course i would never waste my money and put a cam in the 2.5 i would defn wait for a 3.0 swap


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: alex on January 14, 2008, 12:06:04 AM
My sebring with cams would get like 10 mpg. My talon tsi gets way better gas mileage and has like 200 whp.


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: FixerUpper on January 21, 2008, 10:55:53 PM
My sebring with cams would get like 10 mpg. My talon tsi gets way better gas mileage and has like 200 whp.
  I agree; V6 Sebrings/Avengers are bad enough on gas as it is.  They're good looking cars, but it's not worth it to spend so much money on them to make them fast, unless you just really love 'em.  If you just really have a thing for a certain car, that's a little different: to each his own.  Heck, my Camaro gets just as good gas mileage as my Sebring, and it has better than 300rwhp.


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: ava_008 on January 22, 2008, 02:30:55 PM
what company makes the camshafts? and how much hp difference between stages 1 and 2 and 3 and 4? and what all would have to be done to install stage 4 and make it work properly? thanks

sorry for all the questions i am just in shock to see that these are actually available for our cars!WOOOOOOHOOOOOO


Title: Re: camshats?
Post by: Sroufe7 on January 22, 2008, 02:52:02 PM
that is because they are made for a different car, but fit these  ;)

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RPW Camshaft Systems - how to choose   

    RPW has designed a simply easy system for choosing your camshafts. We do them in stages -the large the staged increase, the more mid range and top end horsepower gained at a subsequent loss somewhere else. We also have camshaft profiles in Turbocharged, Supercharged and Nitrous profiles available as well. Other products may be required to run that larger camshaft profile. Please remember the following plans are a generalisation and there are always exceptions and vehicle specific camshaft profiles. For possible more specific information ensure you check our "Vehicle Specific Information files" . Always remember this piece of advice

It is always better to run a slightly smaller camshaft profile as it will always improve power. A too large camshaft will only lose horsepower - guaranteed.

(A) RPW Stage 1 Camshaft Profiles

   1. The stage 1 profile is designed to be bolted on to either a modified or near stock vehicle - these aer being updated all the time with new profiles and now have several stage 1 profiles for auto and manuel vehicles.
   2. The camshaft lift and duration are only mildly increased for a smooth idle and acceleration.
   3. The camshaft is designed to improve everything a little bit with no major gain in any one area.
   4. RPM range is increased slightly by around 300 - 500rpm as a workable RPM range. The overall RPM Redline point may be marginally increased.
   5. These camshafts can also be designed as a Supercharger / Turbo / Nitrous stage 1 camshaft profile where these items are added onto a Naturally Aspirated vehicle.
   6. No valve springs, cam wheels or ECU modifications are required with these profiles.
   7. Some vehicles cannot be fitted with even a stage 1 camshaft profile - ask before ordering.
   8. Vehicles running SOHC Mivec ie Ralliart Lancer only run a mild change to the secondary lobes only, primary lobes are left as per stock.

(B) RPW Stage 2 Camshaft Profiles

   1. The stage 2 profile is designed to be bolted on to either a modified or near stock vehicle.
   2. The camshaft lift and duration are increased over standard for a slightly rough  idle and acceleration.
   3. The camshaft is designed to improve more mid range and top end power, with a slight loss of low rpm torque.
   4. These camshafts can also be designed as a Supercharger / Turbo / Nitrous stage 2 camshaft profile where these items are added onto a Naturally Aspirated vehicle.
   5. Valve springs are required and RPW has specifically matched valve springs in stock for the desired camshaft profile. There may be specific forced induction springs V naturally aspirated spring packages so please ask.
   6. Vernier cam gear is recommended but not necessary
   7. Vehicle will require in most circumstances, ECU modifications for fuelling.
   8. There are no clearance issues with piston to valve clearance with these camshafts and for the majority of vehicles, we do not recommend going large than this camshaft profile
   9. Vehicles running SOHC Mivec ie Ralliart Lancer only run a mild change to the primary lobes, and a mild change to secondary lobes.

(B) RPW Stage 3 Camshaft Profiles

   1. The stage 3 profile is designed to be bolted on to a fairly  modified vehicle.
   2. The camshaft lift and duration are increased over standard for a rough  idle and aggressive acceleration.
   3. The camshaft is designed to improve more upper mid range and top end power, with a loss of low rpm torque.
   4. These camshafts can also be designed as a Supercharger / Turbo / Nitrous stage 3 camshaft profile where these items are added onto a Naturally Aspirated vehicle where larger than 14psi boost levels are being used.
   5. Valve springs are required.
   6. Vernier cam gear is  necessary for specific tuning of camshaft at Top Dead Centre.
   7. Vehicle will require significant  ECU modifications for fuelling and ignition.
   8. Piston to valve should not be a problem if the camshaft is truly centred without too much advance or retard on camshaft timing.
   9. Increased compression to 10.0 : 1 recommended for this size camshafts
  10. We do not recommend any street vehicle running larger than this profile.
  11. Vehicles running SOHC Mivec Ie Ralliart LAncer only run a mild change to the primary lobes, and a more radical secondary lobe change.

(B) RPW Stage 4 Camshaft Profiles and larger (Available on request only)

   1. The stage 4 profile is designed to be bolted on to a heavily modified vehicle used for racing purposes only.
   2. The camshaft lift and duration are increased over standard for a quite rough  idle and aggressive acceleration.
   3. The camshaft is designed to improve more upper mid range and top end power, with a loss of low rpm torque.
   4. These camshafts can also be designed as a Supercharger / Turbo / Nitrous stage 4 camshaft profile where these items are added onto a Naturally Aspirated vehicle where larger than 18psi boost levels are being used.
   5. Heavy Duty Valve springs are required.
   6. Vernier cam gear is  necessary for specific tuning of camshaft at Top Dead Centre.
   7. Vehicle will require significant  ECU modifications for fuelling and ignition. ]
   8. Piston to valve can be a problem and needs to be checked prior to fitment to vehicle.
   9. Higher compression is recommended for naturally aspirated vehicles approx 10 / 11 : 1 ratio
  10. Vehicles running SOHC MIvec Ie Ralliart Lancer will run a pronounced change to primary and secondary lobes.


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