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What does the 2.4 come out of that people normally swap in avengers? and what are the specs? ???

I know I know  ;D
and there are no specs
and there are no "peoples normally swap"
only been done twice and my car is the only survivor of the 2

and if you can't figure out it's because you don't need a swap

Alain

Sorry bout that, I put the idea in his head.

I will educate him Alain.

Whew, of all the questions to post about, you had to know who would be the first response LOL.

I love that "Normally Swap in"

Just cause I know and I wanna make myself SOUND knowledgable. It comes out of a PT Cruiser. Aiain has the 2.4 Turbo swap I believe. And also, if Im not mistaken, He has done quite a bit of fabrication to make it work

http://aseclub.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=67755

it's mothers day I feel generous

Alain

Wow something like that is more like Christmas!!

thanks.. sry for my lack of knoledge

So, you would not advise putting a 2.4 in.
And you say that the 2.4 is more of a workhorse so.... do you think i could make the 2.0 faster than a 2.4?

what do YOU want ?
turbo ?
all motor ?
can you work with metal ?
can you weld ?
do you have a workspace ?
do you have serious tools ?
can you live with a car downs for weeks ?

a 2.4 can produce 50 whp more than a 2.0 with a similar all motor setup
that's IF you can built parts that no ones make including a TRUE LONG TUBE HEADERS
a 2.0 will never break the 200 whp barrier it has been tried several times and they can't go past 185 whp
a 2.4 can make 235-240 whp it was done several times in neons

turbo you could have a good engine with srt-4 internals final price would be about the same as 2.0 with wiseco/JE pistons and eagle rods however a 2.4 turbo will produce about 35% more hp with the same turbo

Alain

Thanks for the awesome Info Alain. Hey DT. Can you sticky this so it doesnt get lost.

well it wasn't my idea in the first place.

it was merely a suggestion.

you see what happens when you suggest thing
so don't do that again
newbies have hardon thinking they could swap an engine like if they were owning a excrement stinking honda  >:(

and they choke by just trying to learn what they need to do

Alain

i apologize, i misread how you were saying what you were saying. I thought you were trying to shoot down the idea. But now i realize you were trying to help. My goals for the car is to make it so i can compete with the cocky hondas at my school. How to do that, i dunno.

can anyone here take sarcasm ?

jesus

Alain

 ;D

Alain just wants you to listen.  He's willing to share his vast knowledge on this kind of thing, as long as you don't contradict him.

He's a information dictator!

i thought it was more common than it is. And i was just asking specs to C&C 2.0 vs 2.4

I wish more peoples would try it  but since there are no "kit" for the swap and you need to built your own engine too it makes people nervous
yet it's a more doable swap than the 4g63t

http://asog.net/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,30/topic,2820.30

for some clips

Alain

I am willing to do it but I am going to build and turbo my spare 2.0 that I just got.  That is why I suggested it to Matt, figured we could both work on it.  I didn't give him much info on it.

i'm willing to do it, but what would be better for speed? I'm stuck driving a slowass 82 diesel jetta  >:(

What?  I though the car was in working condition?

Oh and matt, if you wanna compete with the cocky honda's in your jetta, Get a chain and challenge them to a tow-off.

again what do YOU want ?
and what do YOU have right now ? most ES were v6
and how much you want to spend

let say you want an all motor car, (newbies take note all motor = no turbo no supercharger but Nos is ok, only a honda boy will say that he drive a all motor turbo civic )

to make power you will need a profesionnally ported head , a set of powerfull camshafts, a set of cam gears, a set of valve springs and an updated sets of rockers and lash adjustors
the same head is needed for either a 2.0 or a 2.4  the difference will only be choice of camshafts, like Crane #18 for a 2.0 and crane #22 for a 2.4
either the 2.0 or 2.4 you won't find a decent header on the market that makes power, because you need a true long tube header and it will need to be custom made

so head = same cost 2.0 or 2.4

bottom end forged pistons and forged rods cost the same 2.0 or 2.4
block: 2.4 cost a little more because 2.0 you could grab neon block by the dozen

pan: custom 2.4 or a decent pan like the moroso = same cost

fuel 2.0 would need #24 or #30 injectors  2.4 #30 or 36 or even #42
however the cost is pretty much the same

2.0 direct fit 2.4 you need some engine mount and creative work for power steering

exhaust work same cost

results : potentially 180-185 whp on a 2.0L for several thousands , 230-240 whp on a 2.4 for several thousands

now let say you want a commercial turbo kit
the cost of the kit is the same
engine wise the 2.0 would need forged internals
the 2.4 could use cheaper $wise but still very strong srt-4 internals

the head could even stay stock , same cost for the 2 engines

block : read above a second time

pan : read above a second time

the 2.4 will delivers tons of power 350 hp at 4500 rpm is easy to do
the 2.0 could delivers too but a 7000 or more rpm for the same hp
torque wise the 2.4 will be way ahead of the 2.0

if you only want an engine with a few bolt ons like 95% of the peoples out there don't even bother researching

Alain

The car runs, but the tags are expired. And i'll do some research and tell you want i want.

its a 4cyl es.

which makes it cooler ;D
Alright, actually i'm not sure what i want, i would like a turbo, that would be cool that's what Nykon and I were going to do originally but what would you do? I want to make it fast.

Just turbo it with a premade kit like a hahn or treadstone turbo kit and be done with it.
Once you can't stand lower boost then rebuild the motor/get a better fuel system and up the boost

or how bout you skip the not standing lower boost and make it perfect with a high boost the first time?

the do what I am doing

Build up the bottom end, prepare the head and go for it.

what an informative thread to bad Alain got upset and quit the site. its ok though he learned by doing so thats what everyone else has to do i might swap my v6 out for a 4 and maybe the srt4s engine if it will fit havent done any real research to see if it will though.

he quit the site?

yeah he got upset at a religious thread and there was some arguing and he said he hated bible thumpers like so and so and the guy he hated talked back and well it was all just a lot of drama in truth which should never have gotten to the point it did if only they could have both understood that there are differences in opinions and beliefs. anyways long story short he left.

well that completely sucks

yeah pretty much he was a great source of information.

you still have me, I am close  ;D

yeah and you have a better sence of humor

You said it....that was the unfortunate thing about Alian he was prepetualy pissed off

pollo puta!

Give me some questions and ill PM him on ASEC

ask him to come back

Wont happen. Already tried

i pity him then. I wouldn't quit for a difference in oppinion that doesn't matter on a car fan site.

thats what we said it was just a topic that was brought up and well some  on said some things about what they believe he got mad some things got said and this is were we are now.

And I didnt even get to see the turn out .. is there a way some one can check out some old or temporary internet files to see if they can find it for me.. i wanna see how it turned out.. it was deleted b4 i could see it and i was gone for a week..

Can't we just let the whole thing go?

we really oughta its not worth it anymore

the sticky got whored

Yer all SHEEEEEEEP..

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Want to know the difference between alain and schoeby and the rest who did the swap and yourself.. YOU have no initative.

Stop asking so many damn questions, break out the visa, and start bolting stuff together.. this isn't efffin rocket science.

Here is ALL you need to know

2.4L shortblock, NOT the SRT version (different crank trigger)
you need to be able to cut and weld the oil pan OR weld up a new front roll mount that doesn't rely on the stock lateral member
you need to swap the wires on the coil.. and i think .. compare the crank trigger marks vs the stock crank.. that's the key.. rewire the injectors so 2>1 3>2 4>3 1>4
weld up a new side motor mount..

i think that's it... oh.. get a 2.4L timing belt and an underdrive (uuuugh) crank pulley..

and don't do a 5sp swap at the same time your doing an engine swap.. the wiring can get messy.

that's it.. stop your belly aching.. go do it.

Can't Hardly Wait.

Somebody seems cranky.

you know what......


























I think I'm gunna do the swap......





































haha..  :D yah right.... ::)







sorry had to do it. :P .. since this is whored anyway.. :P

i dont know why but im realy starting to wonder WHY THE HELL IS THIS THREAD WHORED AND WHY WAS IT RENAMED WHAT IT IS. IF ITS GUNNA LOOK LIKE THIS THAN IT SHOULDNT BE STICKEID. IF ITS GUNNA BE STICKIED THE LETS CLEAN IT OUT, RENAME IT, AND GET REAL INFO IN HERE. WHAT THE HELL IS WITH THE CHICKENS. THIS IS REDICULOUS(SP?)

after this is cleaned up delete this post that i hath posted in this tramp thread

Can't rename it, well maybe I can I'll look into it.  I'll clean it up after work.

I thought this was the whored 2.4 thread ??? ... sorry if I didnt realize.. I thought the other (properly named) 2.4 thread was the stickied one.

yeah come on guys...no whoring in the tech forum...it gives a false sense of reliability...

since when will a 2.0 not produce 200hp?  thats one of the craziest things ive ever read!!  ???

What?   Where did you read that?



BTW, I agree with Turbo and JBI, lets not whore around in the tech area.  We have a perfectly good forum for that.  DT is the only MOD that is ever active.  The only other is DZ and he only drops in like once a month.  We need another mod, so DT doesn't have to worry about all of it.

I nominate myself..  ;D... vote for me and I'll fix all you guys up..  :P







...... this is where Dave comes in and says.. ok you want it, you got it... lets see what you can do...  ;D

lol

I am leasing a 2005 base model so base it don't have ABS LOL my lease is up in November and  well I am going to buy the car at the end of the lease. well I just wanted to know if the motor out of the PT Cruiser turbo is the same as the one I have in mine I have the 2.4 DOHC and can not find any performance parts anywhere not even suspension. I went on to andysautosport.com and even called them to find out if the parts would fit and they don't know. SOMEONE HELP ME OUT LOL

uhhmm first off what car do you have?? you might be in the wrong place here. we deal with avenger/sebring platforms. my guess is you have a pt cruiser. if so google a forum for it.im sure someone else will have the info for the motors

I have a 2005 sebring with the 2.4 base model I wanted to know where to find parts for my car or if parts from the PT cruiser will fit.

what happened here ?
I left for several months and this thread still talks about chicken ???

Alain

Haha I guess so.. the good old ASOG you knew before you left for abit. :D

This threads been dead for awhile now though.

you are working non stop since june
you must have one hell of a paycheck  ;D


since it was tried several times to break the 200 hp barrier with a Normally Aspirated 2.0 chrysler engine
some neon with tons of bolt on and parts never available to the avenger sebring crowd came close
best Normally Aspirated engine setup I heard off did 176 WHp in a neon that should be around 195-198 Hp at the crank


FYI , even if by now it is probably way too late to be usefull, all 2.4 made 2003 and later and pretty much the same engine as the turbo version of the srt-4 and pt cruiser turbo, except that one is made stronger and has a few turbo oriented goodies built in
they share the same style of crank sensor and a swap would be possible including the turbo computer
or on a more basic level swapping the turbo engine connected to the stock computer and using a SFMU for tuning the fuel
you could even put a 2.4 turbo in a Jeep Liberty if you are really creative and handy , that would be one hell of a jeep

Alain

It's probably better to start a new thread about the 2.4 and we'll try and keep that cleaned up rather than try and get this one clean.

I think recently one did make 200hp, I'll find the link. He did have a crapload of work in it though.

I found it, it's actually a 2.1 stroker. Here it made 211 whp:
http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t=301616

And here it made 219 whp before the throttle stuck and caused a 10k rpm engine blow on the dyno:
http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t=304044