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The front pads and rotors are new, and the rear brakes are disk as well.  I flushed it all out and bled it with brand new fluid and they are still too dang soft!  Could there still be air in the master cylinder somewhere?  It was totally empty before I added the new fluid...  I plan on replacing the rear brakes as well, but I don't think that is my problem.

It's possible that you didn't bleed it enough.  I know some cars need to have the brakes bled in a certain order.  I don't know if Avengers are like that.  I've never had to do it.

i've heard you are supposed to bleed them in order if you have abs. i've never had to do it either.
but if you say the master cylinder was totally empty then i wouldn't doubt there is still some air left in the lines.
not sure on the correct order to bleed.

i am trainging to be an auto tech right now and i know for a fact it goes rear right driver rear, pass. front then driver front hope this helps!

and I typically do it about 5 times before its to my liking.

pass rear-drivers rear-pass front-driver front, then repeat 4 more times.

make sure you keep an eye on the fluid level and top it off

Well, I guess the problem is indeed an air bubble.  If I pump the pedal while the nipple is closed will the air bubble get pushed to the end?

yes you need to pump the pedal about 20 times then hold it and have someone open the bleeder valve then when the pedal is on the floor have them close it and ask them if there was any air bubbles just make sure you do it in the order specified above!

Do you have ABS ???

Yes, I do, but the guy I bleed with didn't know what he was talking about and I didn't care to argue.  I have to take the rims back off to paint the calipers anyway, so no biggie.

ABS has a SPECIFIC way to bleed refer to a chiltons manual ... Mines at home I'm traveling

Well, we only bled the ones on the right side.  He said the right-front = rear left, right-rear = left-front.  So we only needed to bleed those two.  Does that sound right to you?

Macgyvers sounds better to me but LOOK AT A MANUAL... ABS has a specific bleed sequence

The manual dues indeed say to bleed all for, in a certain order.  I though it might have been that.  I'll do it with my dad this weekend.

One final question.  My rear pads are VERY worn down, and the rotors are also pretty worn and rusted.  If it's going to be several weeks before I can afford new rear rotors, will it do me much good to change the rear pads?  I know it will help some, but is it worth it?

If it's several weeks NO the rotprs will cut the new pads up then when you try the new rotors the pads will be screwed up

Thank you