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ok, so my transmission is F*cked up. y'all know what happened.  driving...shifted into park from drive...almost died yadda yadda. now the car has to be revved high to get up to speed..and the pedal has to be floored to maintain about 65 mph.  a slight hill and it struggles to maintain 60. My gas mileage is horrible..the car shifts a lil late (not really a problem for me, its probably due to the boring.) the main problem though is the fact that the engine spins like crazy, but the car isnt going anywhere. also, rpms go up reallly slow.

Technically It sounds like you are in limp mode ....Emergency be able to drive it to the shop mode ...

so im guessing the transmission would be ok and if its in limp mode, what should I expect from the shop in costs and repairs?

now ive been in the car scene for a long time, i know i dont know everything but i know a lot.  sorry i cant help you jbi, but what the hell is "limp mode"

As stated it's emergency mode it basically gives you second gear only so you can "limp" it into a shop ...

well it actually shifts through all the gears....i just have to floor it to get a granny start. any slight incline and it has to be in low gear. basically, it seems to be suffering a severe power loss and severe gas mileage decrease.

Just wanted to help you sort out your confusion on the transmission... You proubly need a rebuild... you are in failsafe,,, go get a code run at auto zone or somethig and let me know
however you can always drop a trans pan and see what is in their to help diagnose... Putting
it in park while your moveing believe it or not will only make a loud noise but wont
break the transmission, only the parking pawl if anything ,, does it still hold in park and if it
does no harm was done....  RREYNOLD@NEMONET.COM  Owner of Hannibal tranmission and
604 race transmission and quick changer gears.... 

o ok, it does hold in park. it goes and stays in all the gears, besides revving high and not going anywhere, when putting it in reverse, the car starts shaking/vibrating. It'll be $38 dollars for a diagnosis. so if what ur saying is true, how much should it cost to fix? ill get a cost estimate from the place that does the diagnosis.

I"m not a tranny guy like Roger (has been a big help for everyone I've seen him post to).  But maybe it's just the troque coverter.  It goes through all the gears but doesn't make it up hill stuff that needs torque.  That'd be my guess.

ok, well ill take it in, and make these suggestions and report the info.

so whats the dealio now.

Wrong

i'm never following that advice from anyone because of two reasons:

1: Any time you suddenly stop spinning metal it becomes stressed. When you slam on your brakes it creates an imprint in your rotor that becomes a groove. Same philosophy applies to Automatic transmissions.
2: I've seen a dumb sh*t that almost got married into the family go through 3 transmissions in a car that wasn't even his because thats how he "parked" the car. He always put it into park without coming to a complete stop. 3 different transmission shops verified that is what caused the breakage, and one of them knew us by the "problem" the third time we visited the shop.

no, not fixing it, just avenging it  ;D.

so since ill be takin this car apart...when i take something off...it gets posted for sale..

i need the piece that goes around your HVAC controls. the small piece actually.

you can get it for shipping price
 8)

Did you have leather?
 ;D

actually both my avenger and my sebring have leather seats  ;)

sold.  ;D just send it Priority Mail (USPS)

for the leather seats??  What color was the Sebring interior and if they are the right color how much do you want?

they are grey, not in the best condition though,(driver seat) ill take pics, they're not that desirable imo. ill take pics, i just got my fiance's digicam so ill take pics when i get back to Utica (im currently in troy 2 hrs away). the rear ones however are awesome and the passenger is ok.

 I  thought  I should  re wright a re reply due to some major confusion on Shiano behalf
just in case he confused anyone else , First  off , park is not like a rotor a rotor works
with friction to do its job,, Park is a mechanical lock, If you are going down road at
 and cruseing speed and put your car in park, it will not engage , nor will it engage
until you are stopped or almost stopped,  The auto industry set park up this way for
reasons,  It could be a diaster if someone engaged park on the highway makeing the
car uncontrolable or breaking lots of parts, they made the car so until your very slow or stopped you get no enguagement, If you are slow rolling and it does engage the tires most likly will slip if their is enough force other wise every car in town would be rolling across
the parking lot and the auto industry would be getting sued to death.. Possibly if
a vechicle has very degraded spider gears or diffrential gear a slow rolling park engagment
could finish them off however degraded is the key word, the auto industry does build items
to fail if their is no liability but to have a failing park , thats big trouble... my experience
with the ocassional people who have hit a shifter or raceing or whatever and shift
from drive to park while going down the road and broke thir transmission is the tranny
diddnt go into park , it simply left the manual valve for the transmission   partially in
 reverse and it put the unit in  reverse and yes this can be a diaster for a transmission
but never one time have I seen a broken park even though thats what they claim they
do..  The one thing I have learned if their is always exception to rules  and proubly one
dayIll get a trans with park broke but not yet, the noise you hear on a rolling park
selection is the park c og is shaped like a cam lobe with a next to nothing spring
to help push  it in place since it has almost no spring it bounces back and fourth between
the case and  If the spring was greatly increased you may get a enngagement at a speed
 higher but I still guess  the tires will simply slip.I have watched many repo guys drag a
car off in park and sliping tires Ive seen.. I will add this , very often , not always
the customer at a transshop dont always get the truth, If a customer says I did this
and I wonder if I caused this and you say yes, That makes the customer feel like he
is somewhat smart , you have then complemented him and he now wants to give you
his monei to fix his car, Thats business..   Their are some very good rebuilders out their
and their are in my opinion way more medium or bad ones, They often can barely  remember
how to get unit back to gether, if their is a proublem, they dont know what it is, and when
the unit comes back they blame it on the customers, and their real ace in the hole,, If
they cant dazzle you with their brilliance, the baffel you with their bulls#**  I would
suggest this for anyone out their,  What I put down is  basis of my experiences
in the feild, I also design and produce prototype automatics and have  a patent on
one design and a provisional patent on another I would suggest anyone who feels
its OK to know apsolutly nothing about automatics and feels they are entitled to
tell others their wrong  based most likely of baffeling bullshit really shouldnt be posting
anything  unless at the end you reply you state  that you have no fact or knowledge
oveiously of how a automatic park works, ( based on the rotor philosphey) to back
it up...  so please dont leave that out next time you want to baffel someone withBulls#***
Roger Reynolds Roadrage quickchange gears and 604 race transmission..     

When something is used as a reference, it's an analogy. An analogy is used to help the reader or listener better understand a "way" (lack of better terminology at this point) something is.

Automatic transmissions (A604 especially, and you should know this considered you once stated "The A604 transmission is one that was designed to fail".) are precision instruments, not noise makers. Telling someone it's OK to shift their vehicle (any vehicle) into park before they've come to a complete stop is not OK. it's not good advice. never has, never will be.

I want you to put your personal vehicle into park for the next solid month EVERY time you go to park it while you are at 15+ mph. Then, after you're having to rebuild your own transmission (you have that resource and luxury, we don't) soon thereafter, truthfully tell me and all the world (including all the other transmission specialists [not liars. and no, i'm not calling you one]) that you didn't cringe every time you slammed it home, or that you don't feel your tranny is any worse for wear. If you're not willing (nor actually going) to do this, then please, do not respond in a retaliatory manner to this post.

Just for sh*ts and giggles, if you're brave enough, I do want you to engage Park doing 35 mph with no one else around on a straight road. Just be sure you are ready to hit the brakes if need be because I am not wishing you any harm.

I'm not trying to discredit you in any way. You have genuinely had good intentions with this site and your willingness to help. That is greatly appreciated by those whom you have helped and welcomed by those you will STILL help here in the future.

None of those three shops were "flashy bullsh*tters". They (surprisingly considering the field) all have good track records with maybe a "few" blemishes. The main one (the first the problem was taken to), has been in business longer than the others. This guy knows his stuff. When he retires (soon actually), his shop will be closed for business. He has about 60% of the auto tranny business in my city. The other two shops HAVE to be good in order to get the customers that can't wait when he is too busy.

No one posted that they were confused (after my post) so there was no "major confusion".

This post is not meant as a provocative conversation.

Given the date (bump), I would like to know if this actually helped JBI.

i have not made a move yet. money issue. n since i decided to part the car out, yeah...not gonna do anythng to it. however. pulling parts from this baby wont be a problem. and ill do that when the time comes. i would have it fixed..but it would be abit costly to get it to where it needs to be. the venge is taking over. both posts have been helpful tho.

so ya i got into an accident and my avenger doesnt switch gears properly like it goes from fisrt to second and then revs high in 2nd then when it does shift to third its like it is in nuetral whats wrong wit it ???

You've got a bad tranny!  Just a guess take it to a tranny shop have them check it out.  Sounds like the torque converter.  But I'm more of a manual tranny guy.

if you were hit in the front i would def replace the tranny. hope you got the green.

im not replacing it the person who hit me is so i was just wondering but thanks

could be many different things if it is limp mode. it doesn't necessarily need a rebuild yet, from the info you've given.

so r u parting out venge or bring?!  ???

Ck your fluid level and ck for any codes. I'll try to help as much as I can. Dodge master tech 41TE and all automatics and manual transmission, Dealer trained.

i was parting out the bring..but now im not so sure if im going to...

hey if push comes to shove, you have a parts car.  8)

Sure sounds like the shift to Park wiped out the sprag in the Stator on your torque converter.

well im gonna have this in the tranny shop in a few weeks. the car does go into each gear....it just sucks ass in reverse..u hear what sounds like a rock rolling around in a metal pan full of oil. also in first its ok in first...just revs a lot higher than it used to for the same speed. so mileage is down to less than half of what it used to be. ill get the diagnosis and the problem solved so we can all benefit.

On second thought ...you may have unseated the reverse clutch snap ring in the top of the input clutch subassembly.  Not a big deal to redo the subassembly but getting the trans out and back in without losing your religion...well thats a different story. I just did a front pump seal on my car and it was awe inspiring to reinstall!

Just sell me the intake, downpipe and headers, and big T B!

Bob

i just read this and though im no expert by any means it sounds a lot like the car isnt really getting in the gears its an auto so its probably in the torque converter or in the plantary gear.

sounds like you may have torn up the sprag in the TQ.

I will have an analysis soon..it'll go in the gears..all of them. it just moves freely from drive to park. also it has severe power loss. i have to get the brakes fixed before I really get what's goin on with the power loss. when moving the stick..it feels like moving a stick through rock and oil...the shop says it seems fine..but i know its not they'll have some answers in a few days..

When my tranny went out I was just driving and all I heard was something pop, the car still went through the gears and was decently smooth through them... The only thing I could see was the severe loss of tranny fluid coming from the middle-back part of the motor. I forget what the tranny shop said happened I remember something snapped and went through something else... It says what happened on the reciept Ill have to take a look at it.... I dont know about any power loss cause I was to scared to gas it too much... Iono but it was $1600... That one emptied my bank account

i was quoted at 800 for a used transmission dropped in mine w/ about 60k max and a warranty.

Well I dont know where my receipt is... I put it somewhere I just dont feel like looking for it..


Well my transmission was completely rebuilt... They told me whatever broke was basically plastic and when they rebuilt it they re-enforced everything with steel... soooo i dunno... I prolly got ripped off but w/e its in the past

they might've taken advantage of you with what they did. but then again, they may have done a god rebuild. i would check the parts the bought and see how the pricing breaks down.

anthony, that is a typical price for a rebuild. granted you can get a used much cheaper, paying extra for a rebuild is often worth it depending on what is done. $800 with a warranty is tough to beat though, but if it's a stock replacement it can be worth spending more for  a quality rebuild on upgraded internals. the tough part is finding a good shop that does really knows these tranmissions.

Yea it was pricey, but its been about 10,000 miles since the rebuild and I have had no problems... well i take that back..

The only thing wrong is when I shift through gears when Im "speed shifting" that automatic when I park I will get a few drops of tranny fluid on the ground...

Its not a big deal I just need a tranny flush cause I sorta tried to unbolt that tranny pan a few months ago... butttttt lets not go there its a stupid story

anyway... the leak isnt but a couple drops and the tranny feels strong sooo other than the emptying my bank account... Im happy