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I was wondering if anyone has any info on how this car makes 237 hp with a four cylinder and NO turbo....NOt a rotary engine either.

V-Tec  ;D

 :D

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Bore 87 X 90.7

And of course V-Tec

yeah, but y doesnt honda just do that with all their cars??

Because then it wouldn't be unique and cool.

true, gotta give some incentive to buy that particular car

v-tec is a great thing.  thats all i can say.

I do love the VTEC. My 2.4 L puts out 200 hp at 6800 rpms. The S2000 2.2 L needs to rev up to almost 8000 rpms I think. They sound amazing too, especially with intake and exhaust mods (my friend has one with the mods, and it runs like crazy!)

7800 to be exact  ;D

i hate hondas, sorry gyus!! >:(

i dont know about that S2k  ::)

but this thing really got me intrested in it
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=4435

vtec sucks.. VVTL and mivec are much much better technologies..

really.. its just another cam..

and why doesn't honda do that with all their engines you ask..

because engines with little to no low rpm torque isn't a great motovator.

it's easy to make 240hp outta 2L with no turbo.. just have to spin the crap out of it..

(torque * rpm) / 5250

notice the rpm part.. make 150ft-lbs of torque at 8000 rpm.. you get 240hp.... or 126lb-ft at 10,000rpm.. 240hp.. or..  90ft-lbs at 14,000 rpm... still 240hp..

BIG DEAL..

thing with the s2000.. unless you have the engine on full boil all the time.. it's a gutless wonder.. worse than the 420a.

total area under the hp line.. THAT is what matters.. peak hp numbers are meaningless, unless put into context.

you gotta point there. who cares if you have 300hp if you have to be revved to something like 9000rpms or higher just to get it. you'll rarely ever see/feel it.

yeah my uncle told me that he has a buddy, who bought a s2000 and sold it 2months later because he didnt like it due to low power.  The problem is that the guy lives in Washington, DC and with all that traffic he wasn't able to pretty much rev up the engine to needed high RPMs to give him satisfactory power. 

so you WANT the ricers to look extra cool in their 4 dr civics. think about grandma passing you while giving you the bird with a big smile on her face. Or that annoying person who nevers lets anyone pass them and does 10 miles under the speed limit HAVING the power to do the SL but not.

lol, i know all about the hp just being a factor of torque at a certain rpm. i jus thought it really had something special, i guess not. i read a magazine that said it produces tons of power for a small engine...didnt really look up any additional info. well..i think its pointles to do that to a car unless ur just gonna race it at nascar or something. low rpm high torque is whats good. as for those civic owners....the poor things..they should grow out of it sooner or later.
....i laugh everytime i hear a fart can go blowin past my house...sounds like a f*cking tornado coming then u look out to see the civic just pulling out from a stop....the sad part is the bald tires (purposely left so for squealing purposes) arent even skidding.

I do and probably always will not like Honda, but I will give them credit for getting that power out of a 4 cyl.  I want to get the same power out of an n/a Avenger, and I think it's possible.  Exile Racing offers high-compression forged pistons, ported multi-angled heads, and forged crank.  When I replace my engine I want all that; no-exceptions.  ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD NEED THAT IS NOT MADE IS HEADERS !!!  >:(

eh?

Pacesetter
aeromass
frickin e-bay
you can find a header for our motor all over the place.

http://www.howellautomotive.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=409

umm..nykon lol, i think he's ..well i KNOW he's talking about the V6. redstar if u can get a custom made camshaft and rebuild the engine...u can have all that...if ur engine is able to take spinning all the way up that high and get a cam that produces power at a particular rpm u can do it...of course with other mods.

:D lol :D

Yeah, I undertand all that, it's just a matter of time & money.  I'm going to get a beater to drive some day and garage my Avenger so I can put in the engine I want.  When it comes out afterward, it's going to be the Avenger I 've always wanted........maybe.

cant hate on the vtec..kicks my cars ass low hp or not...props to the vtec..actually like them a lot..they inovated the technology so mad props to them...dont hate, appreciate..

it's grudging respect, so to speak

i like s2k's. i wouldn't mind having one. doubt i'd ever check into it though cause i want my next toy to be awd ;)

:werd:

Amen!

the next cars on my list to own are

Eclipse GSX
Evo 8, possibly X
I am not ruling out the Avenger yet...
WRX

Love our Outback, even though its a wagon (great for camping and mt biking) but gotta have a nice fun car.

Thats where Q comes in. lol

Dude, if I could afford and Aston Martin... In a freakin heartbeat!

somebody's getting past that hill :D. ok, so here's another thought. due to the fact that the engine can take such a beating. there's a lot u should be able to do to get some low end torque. i just think its an advantage for a car to come stock with the ability to take all that.

you're rite, there is def some advantages to it. just at it's current state you'll hardly ever see the advertised HP. that's the thing that gets me, you have to practically blow the thing up just to see the HP that marketing makes a big deal about.

i dont know what the price is....too lazy to look for it, but if it came at the cost of a car with a lot less power..say about 190 at like 5k rpm then that wouldnt be too bad of a deal. of course there are other factors to consider when pricing, but i think u all know what i mean. the torque and power curve for this car wouldnt be too bad to look at i guess.