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suspention upgrade my 95
« on: May 02, 2006, 04:12:20 PM »

I need to get better performance out of my suspention... here's what i'm thinking.

I want a 1.5" - 2.0" drop as my local roads don't allow for much more than that.  I also want to throw a body kit and 20" on it so I need to leave some room.  My struts i think are origional and need to be replaced.  I want to get some stiffer struts, anyone know what the stock PSI in the struts is? I want to increase it a bit, i'm not too conserned about ride comfort however it's not a race car it just a street machine I take to the track once in a while.  Any ideas?  I'm want to spend about $800-$1000 for strut/spring/install install costs being a box of beer and a bag of weed.

Also I want to put in upper strut towers bars and sway bars... the previous owner said it had a rear sway bar already, taken form a V6 so i may want to replace it anyway.  Anyone have any ideas on the best place to order them?

Do you recomend replacing the bushings?  Urethane or otherwise?

That should about take care of the suspention...

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Re: suspention upgrade my 95
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2006, 07:41:33 PM »

OK You want to lower your car , First off how do you drive it ....
Is the car a daily driver ?? or is it an all out show car??Is the car kitted??what are your local roads like??Snow and ice in the winter?? All of these will influence what type of lowering you might want ...
For a Daily driver I highly suggest a Drop spring , less maintenance/more reliable/Easier on the wallet
All out show car/kitted Think about coilovers or the Tiens for adjustability , ability to slam at shows
Bad local roads /big potholes/steep drives/roadkill galore think of a lesser drop or coilovers/tiens
Snow and ice in winter /think coilovers or tiens for ability to raise it back up for winter(will require alignment)

OK Now What do I need:
Lowering springs that WORK:
Eibach pro kit 1.8" drop settles to about a 2" drop
Suspension Techniques 1.3" drop settles to about 1.75" drop
Intrax 2" drop settles to around 3" drop or more
Dropzone 2" drop settles to 3" or more
OK these are from MY experience on a V6 ... I HIGHLY recommend either the Eibach Pro kit or the Suspension Tech springs... They provide the BEST stock like ride and are VERY drivable on less then perfect roads...
IMO The Intrax and Dropzone springs are VERY VERY low and VERY VERY bouncy
they seem to be remarketed Eclipse springs that have too low of a spring rate to handle the V6 ...

Coilovers that WORK:
Maxspeed/Dreamspeed coilovers
SkunkII Coilovers
These provide good spring rates/driveability and adjustability... They Require an experienced installer to give best results...Poor installation you will have noises bumps rattles ect that will never go away ... Properly installed they are descent but require modification of the struts that VOID warranty...
I DO NOT suggest getting no name ebay coilovers for the eclipse , With too low of spring rates they WILL collapse/They will ride poorly/You will end up replacing them ... Even some Named coilovers will not hold Up , I purchased a set of WeaponR's and they were junk after 3 months...

Tien all in one unit
These include coilovers AND Strut combo's built together ...
These have great spring rates, are made as a unit so you do not have to assemble them are very reliable and easy to replace the entire suspension...There are several Tien units from the basic to the EDFC adjustable

Struts:
Will I need Struts , YES any lowering will require struts... Can I use my stock struts?? Yes but they will blow and be worthless in no time...So WHY bother, I don't care if you are broke, save your money do it once and do it right !!!
KYB GR2's are very inexpensive CAN be used , But IMO they are not the RIGHT choice they are basically Upgraded stockers... Many have used them , but they fail pretty soon on Springs that are 2" or more, Same with coilovers

KYB AGX's Are more money/more adjustable hold up well to being lowered/ there are two part#'s one for 2" lower one for lower then 2" The lower set is better for coilover use as they have a shorter rod and prevent BOTTOMING...

Koni and Tokkiko both make excellent struts but are normally more expensive and harder to find...

Camber Kits:
After lowering will I need a Camber kit Huh YES you will definately need at least a REAR KIT, this can be done with longer bolts and washers, OR you can purchase a premade kit
Will I need a front kit Huh POSSIBLY I've dropped numerous cars for members/non members and here's what I have found, I've seen 1.3" springs require no kit to up to a 3 degree kit ... What I suggest is dropping the car/let springs settle for at least a week then take the car in for an alignment check, they can then get the car up on a rack and TELL you what kit you will need.... Do your homework on the alignment shop ask locals with local cars that are dropped where they got the alignments done... Try to use a shop thats used to lowered cars and able to get them up on the ramp...

OK how much will all this cost me Huh
Plan on spending around $1000 on parts/alignment ... If you are not a do it yourselfer then add $300 for labor to install some shops will be more/less depending on your area.. Of course those prices are new parts , you might be able to get a deal on used parts but remember you can't be sure on used struts...


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Re: suspention upgrade my 95
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2006, 07:57:05 PM »

I need to get better performance out of my suspention... here's what i'm thinking.

I want a 1.5" - 2.0" drop as my local roads don't allow for much more than that.  I also want to throw a body kit and 20" on it so I need to leave some room.  My struts i think are origional and need to be replaced.    Any ideas? 
There is NO WAY to clear 20's on a lowered venge/bring Roll Eyes Also body kits can be trouble lowered the TC! is 3"lower then stock ...Dropped and a TC1=NO CLEARANCE...



Also I want to put in upper strut towers bars and sway bars... the previous owner said it had a rear sway bar already, taken form a V6 so i may want to replace it anyway.  Anyone have any ideas on the best place to order them?The only front bar with ZERO mods is the Neuspeed for the 95/99 eclipse ,hard to find it was discontinued ...If you are serious get the D3 kit

Do you recomend replacing the bushings?  YesUrethane or otherwise?Poly from RRE

That should about take care of the suspention...

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Re: suspention upgrade my 95
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2006, 11:17:15 PM »

It's a daily driver, to work and such however I drive it hard in the corners and the speedo rarely goes below 80 mph on the highway.

I currently have 16s with 225/60R16 and they ALMOST touch the spring on the inside.  I was thinkin the car could handle 20s with a different rim offset with like 215/35 series skin but now i'm thinkin 19s with 40 series skin.  The car is huge and the 16s look small and my buddy has 19s on his RSX and think they'd be good on the venge.  I can't lower it much b/c the local roads are bullshit and I just don't want to risk it so i'm thinkin less than 2" drop. 

What's the biggest rims that will fit? and what rubber is that with?

prolly do with the suspention tech springs and a stiff strut.

also does anyone else think the turning radius SUCKS on the venge?  Are there any upgrades that will improve this?  like shorter end links (available for my 71 datsun) or other things?

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Re: suspention upgrade my 95
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2006, 04:03:51 AM »

20s or even 19s are going to severely limit the amount that you can drop the car. if at all, i doubt you can fit them with anything near a 2" drop, but it really depends on the tire width. besides the fact that they are going to kill the acceleration of the car. rims are just too damn heavy. bigger rims equal more weight, making it harder to turn over. and since they are generally wider you can have more problems with them rubbing the steering knuckle when turning if the tires are too wide.
i have 18s in the summer, and i think they are a good compromise cuase you can still run a decent amount of drop but they are still heavy as hell. ~25lbs per rim on my 18s, only a 7" wide rim.  the stock steelies are much less. but they look good and they grip well depending on tires. keep in mind the tires also cost progressively more as you go up from 18 to 19 to 20. 17s are really more pratical but it's up to you.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2006, 01:19:18 AM »

yeah i'm slowly thinkin 18's are what i'm gunna have to go with.  I know bigger rims are heavier... I usually go by about 1 pound of rim translates to about 20 pounds of car as far as acceleration is conserned but it's not my race car ... so i'm prepared to comprimise a bit for look.
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